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Brian Nisbet
brian.nisbet at heanet.ie
Wed May 30 14:41:39 CEST 2018
Malcolm, Thank your words on this. I have no problem with occasional intemperance, but there is a marked difference between that and some of the repeated language and references that have marked some of this thread. You wish for a line to be drawn at references to babies (and after our recent referendum in Ireland, there has been a lot of that), whereas (and I don't disagree with you particularly) one of my issues relates to repeated use of the term 'shy transvestites' and also the accusations of mental illness/disease. As I said, occasional intemperance, sure. Heated discussion, grand. However as I said I believe this thread has gone past both of those in a number of instances and I would ask everyone involved to take a step back and focus on the facts of the discussion. Thanks again, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -----Original Message----- > From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > Malcolm Hutty > Sent: Wednesday 30 May 2018 13:07 > To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse > > On 30/05/2018 04:47, it was written: > > Well, many people. let me start with myself: You claim that my > > opinions are rubbish and you compare my opinions to those same people > > (Fox/Republicans) whom: > > > > violently take babies away from mommies - yes, at a border Americans > > grab little babies from the hands of their mothers and take the mommy > > and the little baby to different "detention" facilities. > > I have been following this thread with great interest, and have found points I > find persuasive and unpersuasive on both sides. > > It could be said that the thread is wandering off into unproductive theorising, > but in the circumstances of the advent of GDPR, whether public WHOIS really > is a necessary or important component of anti-abuse activities seems a broad > topic worth debating fully. Some light has even been shed on GDPR's > meaning. > > I also consider myself highly tolerant of passionate and occasionally > intemperate comments. It seems to me that it is better to have it out, and to > show the respect of tolerating less well mannered arguments, than to try to > aggressively police language and so exclude many people from full > participation in the debate. Usually those that go over the top do more harm > to their own case than to others, and that has been how I have reacted to > some of the comments in this thread. > > But can we please leave out accusations that your political opponents abduct > babies? That surely crosses the line. The trope is, at least, Older Than > Feudalism, and very likely Older Than Dirt, and as always raising it serves no > purpose other than to demonise one group of people and to smear another > by association, thereby shutting down the conversation. It's not an > argument, it's a transparent attempt to exclude. Please stop. > > More generally, I believe this discussion would be improved if people > stopped throwing around terms like "European" and "Republican" as though > they are terms of abuse. Our community is, and should be, open to all. > > Regards, > > Malcolm. > -- > Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 > Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet > Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ > > London Internet Exchange Ltd > Monument Place, 24 Monument Street London EC3R 8AJ > > Company Registered in England No. 3137929 > Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA
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