[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Thu Apr 18 09:14:53 CEST 2019
Hi, On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:39 AM Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg > <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote: >> And how will a dutch court determine a wrong decision was made? by getting >> a different set of experts...? > > E.g. by judging on an evidence found later, and with that evidence > making a decision that original set of experts did their job poorly. Experts (on any given subject matter) can be wrong, if they look only at a specific dataset. If data is not available on the year a crime was commited, and it surfaces only 5 years later, i wouldn't say the experts did a poor job. They might have done a good job with the data available at the time. > NCC has arbiters for quite a while. Who's responsible for their mistakes? Curiously or not, that's where all of this started: my first take was to think that arbiters were the solution, but *several* people pointed out the current pool of RIPE arbiters was formed for a different purpose and some of them might not have the skills (or the will...) to look into hijacking cases. >> It shouldn't be the RIPE NCC, if the RIPE NCC is just following >> the defined policy. > > Honestly, I think it's the opposite. If the NCC terminates a > membership agreement, it should be liable for all the consequences of > a wrong decision no matter how exactly the decision is made and what > arbiters/experts/oracles/grandmoms were asked for a definitive advice. OK, but that is relative to *any* termination reason, be it immediate or on a specific timescale (see RIPE-716). I would like to know how many dutch court cases were filed to the date against RIPE NCC about wrongful membership agreement termination. Thanks, Carlos ps: we've missed grandmoms on version 2.0's text. sorry about that :-)) > -- > Töma >
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