[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Hank Nussbacher
hank at efes.iucc.ac.il
Wed Mar 20 07:11:17 CET 2019
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: +1. -Hank > > In message <E1h6E3W-00051F-BF at www-apps-1.ripe.net>, > Marco Schmidt <mschmidt at ripe.net> wrote: > >> You can find the full proposal at: >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-03 > > Anyway who knows the first thing about me will know that I'm > strongly in favor of the general thrust of this proposal, > generally speaking. In fact I would only want to quibble > with a few of the finer points of the implementation details. > > With respect to those, I'd like to see there be a bit more > formality (in the specification of the adhjudication procedures), > and a bit less (mandated) fooling around before any particular > "deliberate" hijacker can be formally and finally kicked to > the curb. > > I have a lot of thoughts about how all this could be and should > be structured and operated, but I don't want to bring in too > much of that fine detail at this point in the discussion for > fear that it might obscure the more fundamental question on the > table, which is simply whether or not this is a good idea gnerally. > (I personally think that it is.) So for now I'll just say that > I think this proposal is on the Right Track generally, and that > I think that it can be and should be revised and evolved to make > all of the adjuducation procedures transparent, faster, and yet > still unarguably fair to those accused. > > Mostly, I personally would like to see the time frames specified > in the current draft tightened up (i.e. reduced) generally, and > the entire process streamlined somewhat. These are not capital > murder cases we are talking about after all! > > Specifically, I think that it should be adequate to have there > be a period of *no more than* two weeks, during which the case is > argued, by both the accused and (perhaps) by an NCC staff member > presenting the case for the prosecution, all in front (via email) > of a smallish set of adjuducators (perhaps five, chosen by random > lots) after which there should be a period of *no more than* one > week of deliberation, and then a final judgement and report. And > lastly, after that, I think that it would be more than sufficient > if there were only one avenue of appeal, which would be to the > RIPE Board, which would be required to decide any appeal within > *no more than* four weeks. > > In practice, I think that even these time frames will, in the end, > be seen to have been excessively and pointlessly generous in virtually > all actual cases. I am thinking back on all of the cases I have seen > of deliberate hijacks, and there have been many of those. None of > those cases was really very ambiguous at all, and none of them would > have required more than a day or two, once all of the facts were > gathered, to persuade any reasonable and knowledgable observer of > the truth of what had happened and/or its clearly deliberate nature. > Nor would any of those who had been caught red handed pulling this > kind of nonsense ever be at all likely to appeal from the obvious > facts. But due proces is never something to be dispensed with lightly, > and we should not do so in this instance. Thus, I agree that it *is* > necessary to have a formal and fair process, including a right of > appeal. I just hope that it can be moved along at a rather more > rapid pace (even in the worst case) than what the proposal at hand > is currently calling for. > > > Regards, > rfg >
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