[anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

Chairs,
Thanks for opening the discussion. 
The fact the mailing list is currently relatively dormant is not necessarily a bad thing thing(tm). 
There is certainly value in keeping this working group, as one of the main issues that will pop-up end of 2024/2025 will be the future revision of the DSA with regards to 'streaming live piracy' (think of F1, Football, Olympics etc). The rights holders do want RIPE to do more, so there will be a need for a central venue to discuss this.
Also abuse will forever be part of our wonderful ecosystem, so let's at least have/keep a proper venue to discuss this when the need arrises.
As for the option below I miss "keep as is" :), also what issue(s) are now not covered and would be need a home @ a expanded 'security group' ?
​-- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex at idgara.nl | +31651108221 


On Thu, 21-03-2024 10h 11min, Markus de Brün <markus at mxdomain.de> wrote:
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      Dear Anti-Abuse Working Group Members,

      
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      As Co-Chairs, we have been carefully monitoring the discussions on the mailing list and are concerned about the current state of stagnation and lack of progress.
After consideration and discussion among the Co-Chairs, we believe it is necessary to initiate a dialogue regarding the future direction of our working group. Some action is needed to revitalise our efforts.

      
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      The Co-Chairs have discussed a number of options, both between ourselves and with the RIPE Chair Team. However, due to the lack of general engagement, and the circular conversations on the list, we see three viable options at this point::

      
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 * Re-chartering the working group, possibly transitioning it into a Security Working Group to broaden our scope and address related concerns comprehensively. (The current charter can be found here: https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/anti-abuse/)

        
 * It is possible we are simply the wrong Co-Chairs at the wrong time, so we can step-down and allow the working group to select new Co-Chairs.

        
 * Closing the working group if consensus cannot be reached on a viable path forward.

      
      
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      It may be that there are people in the Working Group who are eager to propose new policies, or embark on a project to systematically examine the abuse ecosystem, but over the last year or so, there has been no evidence this is the case.

      
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      However, we firmly believe that the best course of action is to engage all members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group in an open and transparent discussion about the challenges we face and the opportunities for positive change. Your input and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of our community.

      
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      Therefore, we are inviting you to participate actively in this crucial conversation. We encourage you to share your thoughts, suggestions, and concerns regarding the current state of the working group and your vision for its future direction.

      
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      Your input will help inform our next steps and guide the evolution of the Anti-Abuse Working Group. We encourage you to share your feedback openly on the mailing list so that all members can participate in the conversation. We hope to discuss the status at RIPE88.

      
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      Thank you for reading this far. We look forward to your active participation in shaping the future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.

      
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      Best regards,
Brian, Tobias, Markus

    
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