[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Hank Nussbacher
hank at efes.iucc.ac.il
Wed Mar 20 09:16:44 CET 2019
On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Carlos Friaças wrote: > > Hi, > > To me, 1 year or even two is way better than "infinite". > (i.e. nothing happens. ever.) True. Agreed. -Hank > > The current lack of policy in this regard is allowing for (intentional) > hijackers to remain associated (through the RIPE NCC Association) with other > members. > > Isn't this something we should try to change? > > I honestly don't see "speed" as a critical factor, and i also hope that if > this gets in place more networks will be able to export their routing view, > so that global routing security improves a bit. > > Of course there is RPKI, MANRS and so on, but i do believe something should > be in place at policy level. > > Best Regards, > Carlos > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Gert Doering wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:06:11AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Marco Schmidt wrote: >>>> >>>> More or less I agree with the proposal. But what happens after a LIR is >>>> found to be violation of the policy? RIPE NCC puts out a statement "LIR >>>> X >>>> is in violation of Policy nnnn"? So what? How does this policy assist >>>> stopping the BGP hijack from taking place, even if it takes 1-2 months to >>>> handle the paperwork? >>> >>> Well, that's a subtle twist of the proposal not actually spelled out - a >>> LIR found to be in violation of RIPE policies is breaking their contract >>> with the NCC (the SSA) and as such can be closed and their resources >>> withdrawn. >>> >>> So that's a fairly effective way to sanction abusive behaviour. >> >> The amount of time that will transpire from the time of abuse and a LIR >> closed and their resources withdrawn can well be in excess of a year if not >> two years. >> >> Is that the end result we are looking for? >> >> -Hank >>> >>> (I haven't decided whether I think this is going to work or do harm, so >>> I'm not voicing support or opposition on the proposal itself) >>> >>> Gert Doering >>> -- NetMaster >>> >> >
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