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Jivko Jelev
j.jelev at itnsglobal.eu
Wed Feb 17 16:30:44 CET 2016
I agree ... Big Lir make alot of money to rent ipv4 space !!!! this problem must be resove !!! On 17-Feb-16 5:27 PM, Cahit Eyigünlü wrote: > > Why do you think this is A problem? > If you have free space you need to share it not sell or rent > This is Why there is too many accounts multiple > Lots of company holding ip addresses more then they need!! > > Sony Xperia™ akıllı telefonumdan gönderildi > > > > ---- Olorin Henderson şunu yazdı ---- > > That isn't practical. > > What happens if an entity with an LIR account is purchased by another > entity with an LIR account; they would have to merge or move IPs from > one to another. Your proposed policy would prohibit this, therefore > complicating or potentially prohibiting the sale and acquisition of > web hosts. > > Kindest regards, > > -- > > Olorin Henderson, > Operations Director, > > Cloud Unboxed Limited > > *w:* cloudunboxed.net <http://www.cloudunboxed.net/> | *e:* > olorin.henderson at cloudunboxed.net > <mailto:olorin.henderson at cloudunboxed.net> | *t:* +44 (0)33 0088 2444 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > /This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the > addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail > in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this > e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail > is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily > represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all > attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as > regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail./ > >> On 17/02/2016 15:18:41, Kampen, Niels van <nvkampen at sligro.nl> wrote: >> >> Shouldn't this problem be solved on a higher level (IANA)? Or create >> a workgroup open to the other RIR's as well so we can solve this >> globally? >> Finding a solution that doesn't mean a huge increase in >> administrative work for the NCC or making the request procedure >> almost impossible for new LIR's is not a solution. >> Could be as easy as making the initial /22 of a LIR non-transferable? >> If you want more IP space to rent/lease/sell you can buy additional >> space from the RIR or other brokers. >> >> Regards >> Niels >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Namens >> Lu Heng >> Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:43 >> Aan: Sebastian Wiesinger >> CC: members-discuss at ripe.net >> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE >> NCC Members and Multiple >> >> Guys: >> >> take the wealth of rich people, distribute it amount everybody, and >> everybody get fair share and working for a central planning economy, >> does it sound familiar if you happen to be from one of communist >> countries?(I heard that quite often as I was born in one of communist >> countries, although if it is still communist are very debatable.) >> >> Central administration and central planning will require a large >> central administrative power with enforce body, Ripe NCC does not >> have the power either has the ability to enforce such thing, even it >> does have such power, history has told us such thing really doesn't >> work. >> Centralised resource planning only results corruption and less >> effective economy. >> >> The founder of Ripe community, Rob, alone with many other original >> starter Ripe community, said very wisely, "Ripe NCC are only a >> bookkeeper". and still till today I believe such fundamental value >> are very important to the very existence of RIR system, without >> claiming any power, therefore left RIPE NCC doing what it should be >> doing, be a registry and record resource whom using it, while >> protecting itself from any management/administration function(in >> which means power), so no government can come ask RIPE NCC to enforce >> anything, or even worse, seeking control of RIPE NCC. >> >> Please, leave RIPE NCC to be a simple book keeper and if you really >> wants to enforce something, go to your local government and propose a >> legislation, banning IPv4 transfer and ask big guy give you their >> unused IPv4 for example, just like the some government in history >> taken wealth from rich people give to the poor ones, they are the >> enforcing body, and they have the ability to re-distribute any >> resource they want. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote: >> > * iODC Hostmaster [2016-02-17 15:18]: >> >> Why it is bad to sell IP's? >> > >> >> Take a look at the RIPE market... Prices are INSANE, and RIPE is >> >> being maximum abused by "brokers" - that's why it is bad, that IP's >> >> can be sold, nevertheless it is the reason why it should not be >> >> possible to sell! >> > >> > We had this discussion even before there *was* a transfer market. IPs >> > WILL get transferred, money WILL be paid. The only thing that RIPE NCC >> > did was to make it possible to document these transfers in the >> > database. Before that there was chaos. There is practically NOTHING >> > the NCC can do about the transfers happening. We had this discussions >> > long ago. We saw it coming. People ignored IPv6. This is the result. >> > >> > I'm so tired talking about this. IPv4 is over and done and because >> > people ignored this for a decade we're forced to fight against other >> > people trying to make money from the last pool that was explicitly >> > created to allow newcomes to enter a market that ONLY exists because >> > others decided they did not want to invest into IPv6. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Sebastian >> > >> > -- >> > noris network AG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 - D-90471 Nürnberg Tel >> > +49-911-9352-1335 - Fax +49-911-9352-100 >> > >> > http://www.noris.de - The IT-Outsourcing Company >> > >> > Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel - Vorsitzender des >> > Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689 >> > >> > ---- >> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >> the general page: >> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> > >> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> **************************************************************************** >> >> Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen. >> **************************************************************************** >> >> Sligro Food Group werkt aan een CO2-reductie van 20% in 2020. >> Wilt u meer weten over ons MVO-beleid en doelstellingen? >> Kijk op www.sligrofoodgroup.nl >> **************************************************************************** >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From here, you can add or remove addresses. > SPDNet Telekomünikasyon A.S. 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