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Ian Smith
ian at lothianbroadband.com
Wed Feb 17 16:58:38 CET 2016
I'm concerned about the direction this discussion is taking because it seems to be focusing on the behaviour of a tiny minority of members. The majority of us would welcome the ability to obtain another /22 or two for legitimate purposes. Any changes made to combat practices of a tiny minority of members may have unintended consequences for many and impact on small LIR's like mine. Think long and hard before legislating. Thanks Ian On 17/02/2016 15:34, Cahit Eyigünlü wrote: > > And probably they offer to Block multi accounts because they earn too > much > > But we are paying for nembership not the ip addresses so they need to > give back the ip addresses to ripe whatsapp they already never owned > forever by theme > > Sony Xperia™ akıllı telefonumdan gönderildi > > > > ---- Jivko Jelev şunu yazdı ---- > > I agree ... Big Lir make alot of money to rent ipv4 space !!!! this > problem must be resove !!! > > On 17-Feb-16 5:27 PM, Cahit Eyigünlü wrote: >> >> Why do you think this is A problem? >> If you have free space you need to share it not sell or rent >> This is Why there is too many accounts multiple >> Lots of company holding ip addresses more then they need!! >> >> Sony Xperia™ akıllı telefonumdan gönderildi >> >> >> >> ---- Olorin Henderson şunu yazdı ---- >> >> That isn't practical. >> >> What happens if an entity with an LIR account is purchased by another >> entity with an LIR account; they would have to merge or move IPs from >> one to another. Your proposed policy would prohibit this, therefore >> complicating or potentially prohibiting the sale and acquisition of >> web hosts. >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> -- >> >> Olorin Henderson, >> Operations Director, >> >> Cloud Unboxed Limited >> >> *w:* cloudunboxed.net <http://www.cloudunboxed.net/> | *e:* >> <mailto:olorin.henderson at cloudunboxed.net>olorin.henderson at cloudunboxed.net | >> *t:* +44 (0)33 0088 2444 >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >> /This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for >> the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this >> e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then >> discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing >> of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not >> necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should >> check all attachments for malware; the company makes no >> representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to >> this e-mail./ >> >>> On 17/02/2016 15:18:41, Kampen, Niels van <nvkampen at sligro.nl> wrote: >>> >>> Shouldn't this problem be solved on a higher level (IANA)? Or create >>> a workgroup open to the other RIR's as well so we can solve this >>> globally? >>> Finding a solution that doesn't mean a huge increase in >>> administrative work for the NCC or making the request procedure >>> almost impossible for new LIR's is not a solution. >>> Could be as easy as making the initial /22 of a LIR >>> non-transferable? If you want more IP space to rent/lease/sell you >>> can buy additional space from the RIR or other brokers. >>> >>> Regards >>> Niels >>> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] >>> Namens Lu Heng >>> Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:43 >>> Aan: Sebastian Wiesinger >>> CC: members-discuss at ripe.net >>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE >>> NCC Members and Multiple >>> >>> Guys: >>> >>> take the wealth of rich people, distribute it amount everybody, and >>> everybody get fair share and working for a central planning economy, >>> does it sound familiar if you happen to be from one of communist >>> countries?(I heard that quite often as I was born in one of >>> communist countries, although if it is still communist are very >>> debatable.) >>> >>> Central administration and central planning will require a large >>> central administrative power with enforce body, Ripe NCC does not >>> have the power either has the ability to enforce such thing, even it >>> does have such power, history has told us such thing really doesn't >>> work. >>> Centralised resource planning only results corruption and less >>> effective economy. >>> >>> The founder of Ripe community, Rob, alone with many other original >>> starter Ripe community, said very wisely, "Ripe NCC are only a >>> bookkeeper". and still till today I believe such fundamental value >>> are very important to the very existence of RIR system, without >>> claiming any power, therefore left RIPE NCC doing what it should be >>> doing, be a registry and record resource whom using it, while >>> protecting itself from any management/administration function(in >>> which means power), so no government can come ask RIPE NCC to >>> enforce anything, or even worse, seeking control of RIPE NCC. >>> >>> Please, leave RIPE NCC to be a simple book keeper and if you really >>> wants to enforce something, go to your local government and propose >>> a legislation, banning IPv4 transfer and ask big guy give you their >>> unused IPv4 for example, just like the some government in history >>> taken wealth from rich people give to the poor ones, they are the >>> enforcing body, and they have the ability to re-distribute any >>> resource they want. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote: >>> > * iODC Hostmaster [2016-02-17 15:18]: >>> >> Why it is bad to sell IP's? >>> > >>> >> Take a look at the RIPE market... Prices are INSANE, and RIPE is >>> >> being maximum abused by "brokers" - that's why it is bad, that IP's >>> >> can be sold, nevertheless it is the reason why it should not be >>> >> possible to sell! >>> > >>> > We had this discussion even before there *was* a transfer market. IPs >>> > WILL get transferred, money WILL be paid. The only thing that RIPE >>> NCC >>> > did was to make it possible to document these transfers in the >>> > database. Before that there was chaos. There is practically NOTHING >>> > the NCC can do about the transfers happening. We had this discussions >>> > long ago. We saw it coming. People ignored IPv6. This is the result. >>> > >>> > I'm so tired talking about this. IPv4 is over and done and because >>> > people ignored this for a decade we're forced to fight against other >>> > people trying to make money from the last pool that was explicitly >>> > created to allow newcomes to enter a market that ONLY exists because >>> > others decided they did not want to invest into IPv6. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Sebastian >>> > >>> > -- >>> > noris network AG - Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 - D-90471 Nürnberg Tel >>> > +49-911-9352-1335 - Fax +49-911-9352-100 >>> > >>> > http://www.noris.de - The IT-Outsourcing Company >>> > >>> > Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel - Vorsitzender >>> des >>> > Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689 >>> > >>> > ---- >>> > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>> the general page: >>> > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> > >>> > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Kind regards. >>> Lu >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>> members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal >>> account and go to the general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> >>> **************************************************************************** >>> >>> Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen. >>> **************************************************************************** >>> >>> Sligro Food Group werkt aan een CO2-reductie van 20% in 2020. >>> Wilt u meer weten over ons MVO-beleid en doelstellingen? >>> Kijk op www.sligrofoodgroup.nl >>> **************************************************************************** >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>> From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> SPDNet Telekomünikasyon A.S. Logo <http://https://www.spd.net.tr/> >> >> *Cahit Eyigünlü* >> *SPDNet Telekomünikasyon A.S.* >> +908508409773 >> 75. Yl Mahallesi 5301 Sk No:24/A - MANSA 45100 >> WebsiteGB <http://https://www.spd.net.tr/> email >> <mailto:cahit.eyigunlu at spd.net.tr> :inkedIn button >> <http://https://www.linkedin.com/company/spdnet> Twitter button >> <https://twitter.com/NetSpd> Facebook button >> <https://www.facebook.com/SpdNetTR> >> >> Bu e-posta kişiye özel olup, gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Eğer >> bu e-posta size yanlışlıkla ulaşmışsa, içeriğini hiç bir şekilde >> kullanmayınız ve ekli dosyaları açmayınız. Bu e-posta virüslere karşı >> anti-virüs sistemleri tarafından taranmıştır. Ancak SPDNET, bu >> e-postanın - virüs koruma sistemleri ile kontrol ediliyor olsa bile - >> virüs içermediğini garanti etmez ve meydana gelebilecek zararlardan >> doğacak hiçbir sorumluluğu kabul etmez. >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > -- > Jivko Jelev > > General Manager ITNS Global - Bulgaria > T/F +359 2 49 66 555 > US/T +1 4044001713 > M +359 88 5555122,+359 87 8553844 > e-mail:j.jelev at itnsglobal.eu > SPDNet Telekomünikasyon A.S. Logo <http://https://www.spd.net.tr/> > > *Cahit Eyigünlü* > *SPDNet Telekomünikasyon A.S.* > +908508409773 > 75. 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