[members-discuss] Fwd: Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders

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> Från: Lu Heng <h.lu at outsideheaven.com>
> Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders
> Datum: 27 september 2016 08:58:55 CEST
> Till: Hank Nussbacher <hank at efes.iucc.ac.il>
> Kopia: "members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> 
> Hi
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Hank Nussbacher <hank at efes.iucc.ac.il <mailto:hank at efes.iucc.ac.il>> wrote:
> On 26/09/2016 23:47, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 17:16, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> >> Acquiring small bits of legacy IP space to bypass LIR membership dues
> >> and to then be entitled to get more IP address space goes totally
> >> against the spirit of RIPE and I totally approve the Executive Board's
> >> decision and would recommend even further sanctions against those that
> >> have done it.
> > Could someone remind us why in the first place:
> >  - a legacy block can be broken into smaller pieces (which can then be
> >  transferred)
> >  - after the transfer, the parts of the old legacy block still remain
> >  tagged as legacy
> >  - what stops the "convert to PA" (or PI, whatever) from being a
> >  prerequisite to a transfer (or even to a split of the original legacy
> >  block)
> >  - more generally why the stance of "giving full rights to legacy
> >  holders", but with only voluntary respect of the obligations
> >
> > I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space
> > "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that others
> > can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same treatment.
> I agree with you.  If a legacy owner sells all or part of their legacy
> IP space, that IP space should lose its legacy status.
> 
> How technically possible to "loss" its legacy status if it's status was not given by RIPE. 
> 
> It is not an treatment by RIPE NCC, so they don't have to pretend to have it, they have it, period.
> 
> Unless an newly established contract relation that specifically state that they give up such status voluntarily, in which is what we are discussing here now.
> 
> But for my personal view, as long as legacy holder update their whois record(RIPE NCC pay for the database maintenance), I agree with Erik, there is no need to bring them into the LIR system.
> 
> 
>  
> -Hank
> >
> 
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