[members-discuss] RIPE NCC and the geopolitical situation

On wtorek, 17 kwietnia 2018 17:37:23 CEST Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
> All,
> [words]

Let me be the first to say: thank you.

For taking the time and effort to try to define problems and ask questions 
instead of spewing "solutions" to unspecified issues and "answers"  to unstated 
concerns, that accomplish little more than aggravate the already completely 
disorganized discussion.

I'm not even sure right now whether you defined the problem correctly (or 
defined *the* correct problem in the first place) or asked the right questions, 
but the fact that you tried has a value in and of itself.

Ladies, Gentlemen, PLEASE, keep in mind that:
 -  in order to solve a problem, FIRST we have to define this problem
 - to solve a defined problem, we have to agree that the problem actually 
exists
 - to come up with possible solutions to a real and well-defined problem, we 
need to establish a metric that evaluates whether the problem is solved or not
 - to compare the submitted solutions, we need to determine the actual effects 
of a given solution, including unintended side effects.

This needs to be done in the above order, as explicitly as possible. Skipping 
any of those steps usually leads to a completely pointless exchange of 
mutually unintelligible statements that only make sense within the context of 
their author's personal understanding of some problem that they never properly 
shared with anyone else.

In other words: if the other guy is talking nonsense, that's because you think 
they're talking about something you're thinking about, but they're not, 
they're talking about something THEY are thinking about and you have no idea 
what it is. Neither they have any idea what you're thinking about and why YOU 
are talking nonsense. Stop right there and establish some basic shared facts.

Above all else, when discussing technology, finances, effect of changes on 
members, etc., the single most important thing to base all these things on is 
COLD, HARD DATA.

There, sorry for sort-of-hijacking the thread. And thank you again, Sasha.

Please try to keep any comments related to the above, and not to Sasha's 
message, in a separate thread.

Regards,
Remigiusz Marcinkiewicz
Warsaw Hackerspace // https://bgp.wtf/ // https://hackerspace.pl/

-- 
Remigiusz Marcinkiewicz, remigiusz at marcinkiewicz.me
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 833 bytes
Desc: This is a digitally signed message part.
URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20180417/f21429ec/attachment.sig>