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Ion Rebeja
ion.rebeja at gmail.com
Mon May 14 14:41:00 CEST 2018
Folks, please remove my email from this list! Thanks! On Mon, May 14, 2018, 15:38 Office MEGs <office at megsolutions.com> wrote: > Me too please. > > Thank you! > > > > *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On > Behalf Of *Gjurovski Vladimir > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 2:05 PM > *To:* 'John Jeffery' <johnjeffery at e-wire.co.uk>; David Benwell < > dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>; William <william at william.si>; Bunea > TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > > > Me also please > > > > Владимир Ѓуровски > > Оддел за ИТ и ТК технологии > > > > ЕВН Електродистрибуција ДООЕЛ > > ул. „11 Октомври“ бр. 9, 1000 Скопје > > T: +389 2 3205 300 – 44232 > > M: +389 72 934 232 > > vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk > > www.evn.mk > > > > *Користете ја енергијата разумно: помислете на животната средина пред да > ја испечатите оваа електронска порака.* > > > > > > > > Vladimir Gjurovski > > IT and TK technology Department > > > > EVN Elektrodistribucija DOOEL > > ul. „11 Oktomvri“ no. 9, 1000 Skopje > > T: +389 2 3205 300 – 44232 > > M: +389 72 934 232 > > vladimir.gjurovski at evn.mk > > www.evn.mk > > > > *Use energy wisely: Please consider the environment before you print this > email.* > > > > *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *John Jeffery > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 1:46 PM > *To:* David Benwell; William; Bunea TELECOM > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > > > guys can you take me off this email chain? > > > > thanks v much > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of > David Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk> > *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 12:44:26 PM > *To:* William; Bunea TELECOM > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > > > William, Would you happen to be such holder of address apace? > > > > *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *William > *Sent:* 14 May 2018 11:47 > *To:* Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > > > These are legacy. They are not RIR business. > > > > No RIR can reclaim them (and reclaim is plainly wrong, they never owned > them, this is pre-RIR space), they are private property. > > > > Taking them is theft and nothing else, no matter how you phrase it. > > > > -- > > William Weber > > Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia > > > > https://ip6.im - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email for some reason? Grab > a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get it anyway, can't hurt to > have. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:27, Bunea TELECOM <suport at bunea.eu> wrote: > > I agree, > > > > There are tens of /8’s available, some of them even unannounced. For > example there are lots of entities which if they would gave up (even > partially) of their unused blocks, it would push the IPv4 complete > exaustion to 2020+. > > > > Thanks, > > Petru > > — > > > > > > > > > *Petru Bunea* / CEO > suport at bunea.eu / +40752481282 > > *Bunea TELECOM* / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT > http://www.bunea.eu / +40745495495 > > > > On 14 May 2018, at 11:20, Janarthanan Sundaram <j.sundaram at 123telcom.nl> > wrote: > > > > I think we should prioritize on on point two: what to do with unused > blocks. > > > > *Van:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *Namens *Bruno > Carvalho > *Verzonden:* maandag 14 mei 2018 10:11 > *Aan:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > > > This discussion is quite interesting. But i think it should be discussed > between all RiRs. Not only for RIPE. > When we look at big companies, like Microsoft, and do a simple scan of > their assigned IP ranges... we found some /14 and several /16 > unassigned/unused ranges. > > > Personnally, i think we should focus on 2 main things: > > > - Improve IPv6 implementation all over the territory (i know this is > painfull for many LIRs because it implies additional work and purchase of > new equipments. But let's face it. We are in 2018. If an equipment doesn't > support IPv6, it's very obsolete and not performant). > > > - Check with the other RiRs what would be the best to do with those big > unused ranges that are owned by companies that don't use them. > > > Regards > > --- > > [image: XRV] > > Bruno Carvalho (CEO xrv.pt) | +351 300 404 316 > P Please consider the environment before printing this email > > [image: Visit our website] <https://www.xrv.pt/> > [image: Facebook] <https://www.facebook.com/xervers/>[image: Twitter] > <https://twitter.com/xervers> > > > > > On 2018-05-14 09:51, Hans Govenius wrote: > > Hello > > Not needed IP = The addressese company is ready to sell for a small profit > 😊 ? This is probably good indication that its not used anymore. One > option is to automatically block all and any IP transaction which does not > involve transaction of the whole company/business. It is a question that > can IP be a commodity. Now its a commodity that is getting more rare by the > year. Maybe IP should be considered an jointly owned part of infrastructure > which is deployed by need basis. (Socialistic way) > > Other option is to start to take money per IP. This would instantly mean > that everyone would look up to own ip spaces. Let say it would cost 1 euro > / year for a IP it would only be approx 1000 euros for the smallest > allocation. Someone with 10 million IP addressese are likely to happily pay > for it fi they are in use, but if they are not i would think they would be > handed back. (Capitalistic way) > > One option is also to go with the current system because internet is > working so its not horribly wrong at the moment either. > > One interesting this is tho that old LIR:s are likely to wanting to keep > these things unchanged. New LIR:s are more likely to want changes as this > is heavily favoring old LIR:s. And every year a proportionally larger part > will be the ones with few IP:s and same vote than the one with alot of IP:s > and also only 1 vote. > > Br. Hans > > > > > -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- > Lähettäjä: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Puolesta > REG ID: pl.skonet > Lähetetty: maanantai 14. toukokuuta 2018 10.34 > Vastaanottaja: pdonner at znak.fi; members-discuss at ripe.net > Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] VL: IP transfer (in)security > > W dniu 14.05.2018 o 09:25, Philip Donner pisze: > > > I would like to amplify Dave's good proposal, by suggesting that unused > addresses should be handed back to RIPE, so that they can be added to a > pool of addresses reserved for LIRs who needs them for non-profit promotion > of IP networks. > > > Ok, but there is never ending story to resolve: how to define 'unused > addresses'. Because not announced in BGP definitely != not used. > > -- > > Tomasz Śląski > pl.skonet > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hans.govenius%40devnet.fi > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bruno.carvalho%40xrv.pt > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu > > > > Напомена: Оваа порака и сите прилози што ги содржи се доверливи, заштитени > и наменети само за испраќачот. 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