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Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf
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Wed Apr 10 15:04:02 CEST 2024
Hello > but why are fee's going up when RIPE is shrinking? > If ripe is shrinking, then so should its non-essential activities and buget. >Should RIPE have the same budget and staff, when it is serving fewer members? Operations should scale with membership count/workload based on essential services. > Fewer LIR members should inturn mean a smaller , more efficient RIPE. Yes On 4/10/24 2:55 PM, Daniel Pearson wrote: > Howdy, > > A modest increase is not going to kill us, but why are fee's going up > when RIPE is shrinking? > > Should RIPE have the same budget and staff, when it is serving fewer > members? > > Fewer LIR members should inturn mean a smaller , more efficient RIPE. > > > Daniel~ > > > On 4/10/24 7:48 AM, Leopoldo Maestro - Soltia Consulting SL wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I think it is a very reasonable increase, the budget is maintained >> for a while and the changes are not so dramatic that they could >> impact many people. >> >> Let's be honest, an increase of 400€ (33-34€/month) a year is not >> going to kill us. >> >> Kind regards >>> Hello, >>> >>> Why do we not have an option that refuses any rate increases, and >>> forces RIPE to reduce it's budget? >>> >>> Option D - No change to rates, RIPE reduces budget according to >>> fewer number of LIR! >>> >>> The Board MUST make tough decisions. If RIPE is serving fewer LIR >>> then the board must adjust RIPE to be a proper size. >>> >>> Daniel~ >>> >>> On 4/10/24 4:18 AM, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear RIPE NCC members, >>>> >>>> >>>> We can now share three draft charging scheme models for 2025 that >>>> the Executive Board approved with the following resolution at its >>>> meeting on 25 March 2024: >>>> >>>> >>>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the submission of the RIPE >>>> NCC Charging Scheme 2025 options to the upcoming RIPE NCC General >>>> Meeting for members to vote on. >>>> >>>> - Option A - Charging Scheme as is with 22.58% price increase for >>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,900) and a 0% price >>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 50) >>>> >>>> - Option B - Charging Scheme as is with 20.97% price increase for >>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,875) and a 50% price >>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 75) >>>> >>>> - Option C - Charging Scheme as is with 16.13% price increase for >>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,800), a 50% price >>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR >>>> 75) and a new AS Numbers fee of EUR 50 per assignment >>>> >>>> >>>> *Resources falling under this charge are IPv4 and IPv6 PI >>>> assignments; Anycast assignments; IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments; >>>> and Legacy IPv4 resource registrations through a sponsoring LIR. >>>> >>>> >>>> The full draft charging scheme models are available from the GM >>>> Documentation >>>> page:https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2024/documentation-and-archives/supporting-documents/ >>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDTMbZUybI9nTx5vjxrY-2F8Z1FOZiVeADG6UNhTmcFSt5-2BjfPcecgUL6OrZDhyZ6rLIbhfQilM8h43R8-2BuvM8uFsqNnyPOnKXi0wxmIpJxjDc9Kx9O63AmpzoIB1XDJEY3VA36MZG-2B1dIfBzW5XxttyIM-3DNWRS_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fistx0G2Ms5r1JO-2FcQl0zNORjlFJzRw73A32q6ar1c-2ByjG22MCLeNd0aXQRZmj2saUwPrSwh9-2B395-2BFiaBq475KeA7tqF65uKAs0rkapUHtRPAtB2i4bIh13ZbUeZITtnw-3D-3D> >>>> >>>> >>>> Although the proposed models are relatively simple, we provide a >>>> calculator where you can see exactly what you would pay under each >>>> of the proposed models: >>>> >>>> https://www.ripe.net/documents/3757/CS2025_Member_Calculator.xlsx >>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDe76v8-2Fvdx607-2BV9v25XdIYW4rFRji8zwIoZc2tqcWLNwj8Y6DZZ5JVm-2FoipnXOGvCa8Kk8Bh9rQpjrNfjvcEII-3DMQKr_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2FsqvI4dkX9fRCAOL8Y-2B4bxiWgdYNorMfh-2B8tbUN40MxMgZ7Xxp24xRRHCaWW7jAfSam2NlJd2UhPFF7j7H-2BE00DY64Kvzu1AMDUwtvTnYfmPUTW6NaRNPAR8xFBfGjUq3Q-3D-3D> >>>> >>>> >>>> The main considerations for the Executive Board in proposing these >>>> three models are: >>>> >>>> 1. The consolidation of LIR accounts, which means the burden to >>>> generate sufficient income must be met by fewer accounts >>>> >>>> 2. Increased costs due to inflation that were previously catered >>>> for by the large number of LIR accounts >>>> >>>> 3. Following the discussions last year and again this year, there >>>> appears to be no clear consensus among members on how a >>>> category-based model would work and the Board does not wish to put >>>> another category model forward at the upcoming GM that will be >>>> rejected by the members. Rather, the Board will propose a simple >>>> model that guarantees adequate funding for 2025 and 2026 - under >>>> this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase >>>> for 2026. The Board will work with the RIPE NCC on a more in-depth >>>> consultation with the members aimed at arriving at a sustainable >>>> solution for 2027 and beyond, possibly involving a new charging >>>> scheme task force. >>>> >>>> >>>> All three proposed models are designed to arrive at the same income >>>> of EUR 41.1 million for the RIPE NCC in 2025. This will cover all >>>> current services and activities, a 5% staff cost increase, a 2% >>>> inflation increase on all non-staff costs, and EUR 1 million for >>>> additional work relating to registry complexity and security >>>> projects aimed at ensuring the resilience of the Registry and the >>>> RIPE NCC more broadly. Any such additional work would be discussed >>>> with the membership during Activity Plan and Budget consultations >>>> and then need to be approved by the Board. This will also allow >>>> some leeway should more LIR accounts close than we expect. >>>> >>>> >>>> It’s important to note that the RIPE NCC aims for an income budget >>>> that will provide a surplus, and this means that should we meet our >>>> budgetary targets, a surplus can be returned to members in 2026 >>>> should they so wish. >>>> >>>> >>>> While the RIPE NCC continues to carry out cost-cutting efforts >>>> across the organisation, drastically reducing the budget at this >>>> time is not advisable due to the work that needs to be carried out, >>>> especially in relation to maintaining high-quality registry >>>> services and securing the registry and RIPE NCC systems. Cutting >>>> services or activities is not something the Board is planning to >>>> do, and such actions would take time and need full consultation >>>> with the membership. An overview of the activities and services >>>> that the membership fee covers is provided below this email. >>>> >>>> >>>> I also urge you to see the presentation we delivered at the >>>> charging scheme open house in March so that the full context of the >>>> situation and the financial landscape we face is clear to you. The >>>> slides are available at: >>>> >>>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-2025/ >>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDTMbZUybI9nTx5vjxrY-2F8Z1FOZiVeADG6UNhTmcFSt5-2BQ7a3JRMgvT7omvtUsb8bhT6M7UBONW8EV-2FGxc4iQ6S7XrSdYLswU4voWKNSBy8zGzO3B_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fj8EqsBB-2BfJc-2FDEFUF5LEUE0ige8RGGATuNnSj5dKrTyJ17Y8BLhusFwW0FP5U-2BQJeu1xcrl0ncU9KnuZ0qZudfmVfZJ6ybf1vrgavDm9GLiAGs3AqBKTW2aKaBCpRe-2FeA-3D-3D> >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, I want to thank all those who have contributed to the >>>> consultation so far on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. The >>>> models we present here are draft and in two weeks we will announce >>>> the final proposal that members will vote on at the GM on 22-24 >>>> May. Please discuss the draft proposal on the >>>> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>list - >>>> any input received by 19 April can be incorporated if possible into >>>> the final models we propose. And make sure to register for the GM >>>> so that you can vote on the charging scheme that will apply for you >>>> and all members next year: >>>> >>>> https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active >>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDR-2B7-2BOPRhPxO6hToEWsUR52v9msgz-2FZMQdooF3wUQccbuB9G_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fgrk7fz74GpqWrqbbsxMnwLsYBhuhrCIkTjyX6OZ2dedNw3TLdlsy2woTCbsIP97YzTvt-2Ff-2FDBjEX198m6O1rsAOGArTs9mP1ouxORbJW7prvAr3kANbtI5bwQN14wZpYQ-3D-3D> >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon-Jan Haytink >>>> >>>> Chief Financial Officer >>>> >>>> RIPE NCC >>>> >>>> >>>> Services and Activities Covered by the Member Fee >>>> >>>> >>>> - A trusted, efficient, accurate and resilient registry that >>>> guarantees uniqueness of resources held by members >>>> >>>> - Neutral information services uninfluenced by commercial or >>>> government interests that allow both the RIPE NCC and the community >>>> to carry out useful research into the Internet >>>> >>>> - Engagement activities, including RIPE and regional meetings, that >>>> build an active membership and community and that contribute to the >>>> overall good of the Internet >>>> >>>> - A voice and influence for the membership in key decision-making >>>> fora, including with governments and regulators >>>> >>>> - Protection of the Joint Internet Number Registry as developed by >>>> the Internet community >>>> >>>> - Learning and development activities that help to address skills >>>> shortages and contribute to an educated membership >>>> >>>> - Support for the Policy Development Process (PDP) >>>> >>>> - An authoritative registry of routing information provided by RPKI >>>> and the RIPE Database >>>> >>>> - K-root and DNS services >>>> >>>> - A dedicated staff with considerable expertise contributing to all >>>> of the above >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40soltia.es >> >> >> -- >> *Leopoldo Maestro* >> *Soltia Consulting S.L* >> >> *Email:* info at soltia.es | *Tel:* (+34) 910052420 >> >> *Movil:* (+34) 661004140 >> >> En virtud de lo establecido en la Ley 15/1999, y la LSSICE 34/2002, >> le informamos que sus datos forman parte de un fichero automatizado >> titularidad de Soltia Consulting, S.L. 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