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Why LIR who havent resources must pay same amount as LIR who have a lot of resources? RIPE declaring about "community" and about "spending budget must be distributed across all members" - but in practically is not. When RIPE want to take extra fee for ASN - its mean then RIPE want to charge by resources. Then why RIPE dont want to charge due resources for IPv4? Guess big members who hold a lot IPv4 allocations dont want it - because current situation is fine for their point of view. Dont forget - RIPE charget 50 EUR per resource - not matter what is it - /24 or /16. If we are not using all RIPE services - why we must pay for that? Why not any option to select - "Only core services"? On 11.04.2024 11:45, Evgeniy Brodskiy wrote: > Confidential/Конфіденційно > > Hi, > > Not at all. > > More RESOURCES in hands of some LIR doesn’t mean consuming MORE SERVICES. > If you want to bill somebody based on consuming SERVICES it would be logical to count consuming SERVICES, not RESOURCES. > > > But who cares about logic if goal to force somebody else to pay... even if some particular BIG LIR doesn't use majority of this SERVICES. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 2:06 PM > To: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals > > [Вы нечасто получаете письма от admin at roskomnadzor.io. Узнайте, почему это важно, по адресу https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > Its great, but why RIPE trying to make funding from less adquate method? > > Big members of RIPE region request MORE SERVICE - but why ALL must pay for that? > > Why RIPE continue to ignoring taking membership fee based on RESOURCES? > > Currently RIPE depend upon LIR signup fee and year/year LIR fee in most cases - but its very unstable. > > NOR, RIPE can take fee per IPv4/24 in holding per member and have STABLE SOURCE OF FUNDING! > > ARIN, APNIC, AFRINIC already a long time do it on successful basis. > > Why small members of RIPE must pay SAME amount as big members? Are its fair? Guess not. > > Dont forget about fact - if early LIR guarantee receive /22, after only > /24 - then now LIR receive only place in waiting list (like in Communists USSR) and undefined ETA on receive resources! But pay SAME amount as any other. > > Why RIPE didnt want to change fee based on fact - if LIR didnt have IPv4 in holding - then LIR must pay less, nor LIR who holding 10-100-100 IPv4 blocks? > > > > On 11.04.2024 10:46, Daniel Stolpe via members-discuss wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Yoel is absolutely right. A few years ago the financial situation was >> not looking good but the "last /8 policy" made a huge difference. The >> "handing out /22 blocks" was like printing new money - for a while. >> As the number of members whent sky rocket, RIPE could lower membership >> fees at the same time as an ever expanding budget. >> >> But now we are seeing what everyone could have predicted - the number >> of members are declining and the NCC keeps calling for more money. >> >> No, this is not reasonable. In tough times everyone has to try to make >> ends meet. The NCC should be no exception. For years only a few >> persistent voices have been trying to call for cuts or cost control as >> an alternative to eternal growth. What happened last year should have >> been a clear signal but instead the voting is now rigged with more or >> less equal outcomes. >> >> Regards, >> Daniel Stolpe >> >> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, Yoel Caspersen via members-discuss wrote: >> >>> Dear RIPE member, >>> >>> Kaj Niemi is absolutely right: RIPE increasing its budget does not >>> serve the interests of its members, and allowing it to pass because >>> you are spending other people's money is a sign of bad judgement and >>> lack of accountability. >>> >>> For years, I was wondering why RIPE was handing out /22 blocks at >>> what was effectively a fraction of the market price. I think we have >>> the answer now: Membership fees and diluted voting power of each >>> member served the interests of the management just fine. >>> >>> RIPE is a mandatory phonebook for IP addresses, nothing more and >>> nothing less. All the fat that has grown on the organisation in the >>> last decade must be trimmed, and I call for a drastic budget >>> reduction - if some members are willing to spend their own money on >>> additional services, they should be free to do so, but with absolute >>> emphasis on this part: their own money. >>> >>> From a fairness perspective, RIPE should be granted the necessary >>> funds to run the database service, meaning: >>> >>> - A base fee to keep the database service running, shared equally by >>> all members >>> - Fees on actions that require manual work from the RIPE NCC (e.g. >>> transfers, mergers etc) >>> >>> Forget about levying higher taxes on larger members - RIPE is not a >>> tax collector and doesn't exist to offset differences in wealth. It >>> exists to deliver a necessary service, and each member should pay >>> according to the burden they place on the organisation. >>> >>> How much should we pay for a database service? In the ideal world, >>> there should be no monopoly on the service and we could let the >>> market forces decide what the right price is. >>> >>> I realize that might not be feasible right now, so we are stuck with >>> the next best solution: Letting the community figure out what the >>> acceptable price is - I guess most RIPE members run some sort of >>> database service of their own and therefore possess a profound >>> understanding of the associated costs. >>> >>> Until we have better data, I suggest we look at the past for >>> inspiration: Use the budget for 2014 (€ 22 millions) and adjust for >>> inflation - that amounts to approximately € 28 millions. >>> >>> To get there we can slash External Engagement & Community (€ 9,4 >>> millions in the 2024 budget) - RIPE is a monopoly, and the members >>> will be there regardless of the activities in that area. >>> >>> I also suggest that we take a look at the expenses associated with >>> the Office of the Managing Director (€ 2,2 millions in the 2024 >>> budget) - after all, RIPE is an organisation with less than 200 >>> employees. >>> >>> I call for members of the community to contribute: What is the right >>> amount of staffing in the RIPE NCC? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Yoel Caspersen >>> CTO >>> Kviknet.dk ApS >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 3:12 PM Kaj Niemi <kajtzu at basen.net> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Very politely put I do not think any of the three proposed charging >>> schemes are in the membership's interest - they certainly aren't in mine. >>> >>> All three seem to be designed to assure that NCC can continue along, >>> business as usual, with its tasks. Thus, we could pretend that there >>> isn't a big issue with the membership numbers declining. We could >>> also pretend there isn't a real problem with the value proposition of >>> the services. Furthermore, we could also pretend that we do not care >>> that it all is conveniently funded by the membership. I mean, what is >>> 1500 or >>> 1900 euro to most people? I have heard the last several times in the >>> past. After all, why should we care about the expenditure when the >>> sums are so small for each LIR? Why should we care when it is not our >>> own money? I'll tell you. Not caring about the transaction size is >>> bad, if you are willing to let these kinds of sums slide, you'll let >>> it slide on bigger amounts. As is treating other people's money (OPM) >>> differently than if it were your own. These eventually lead to lack >>> of accountability. >>> >>> What is being proposed is really a significant increase in membership >>> fees. In particular, significantly above what it used to cost on >>> average to produce services for each member (whether they use them or >>> not). Note when I say what it used to cost, as in FY2024 the cost per >>> LIR will be higher. >>> >>> Now, with the membership in further decline the average cost per >>> member will once more be higher in FY2025. Next year, I forecast that >>> we will have the same "discussion" for >>> FY2026 as NCC comes around and asks for more money. Once again. Why? >>> Because according to projections the amount of members will continue >>> to decrease resulting in higher fees per organization. Once again. >>> All in the advantageous name of the articles of association that >>> allow pretty much anything. >>> >>> Following the above rational thought with another is, that what one >>> should be doing is choosing what to either invoice separately or drop >>> completely. Yes, really. Everyone is happy with free services, it is >>> when you apply the money test - request someone to pay for something >>> - when you see if what you create contains value. >>> >>> Considering NCC managed to "save" 5% in the FY2024 budget compared to >>> FY2023, asking for 8.1% increase (4% annualized) the next year is, >>> well, kind of cheeky. It restores the budget pretty much to what it >>> would have been with two annual increases. As an exercise in >>> budgetary engineering I do approve. As a paying member I do not. >>> >>> What really would be needed is competition. Competition would make >>> the RIR market more efficient. It is rather obvious that the RIR >>> markets aren't anywhere near the efficiency they could be at. >>> Competition would mean that people wanting to pay >>> 1900 - or even more in the future - could choose to do so and those >>> who don't want could potentially pay less. Reduced to the very basics >>> one is paying for bits in a database. >>> In that sense this is rather similar to the certificate market where >>> at one time the cost per certificate was sky high and there were only >>> a few issuers. Today, I am guessing most do not pay thousands >>> annually for a few bits in theirs. Neither do most people care >>> whether the cert was issued by Verisign, Gandi or someone else. >>> Having looked into it out of curiosity, real competition does not >>> seem to be possible as the principles in >>> ICP-2 pretty much state that there can/should only be one RIR per >>> region. Which makes NCC the definition of a monopoly. Monopolies with >>> nice and polite people, well intended purpose and mission creep are >>> not good, they're bad. For everyone. >>> >>> Finally, the surplus. The concept itself is interesting and I do know >>> where it comes from. But from an financial point of view it is really >>> lending money to someone else and then (maybe) getting it back, a >>> year later, less inflation if they did not spend it. >>> >>> >>> I would kindly request that the EB would add option D or "Option D: >>> No Changes from 2023". :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kaj >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kaj >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> ___________________________________________ >>> >>> From: ncc-announce <ncc-announce-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of >>> Simon-Jan Haytink <simonjh at ripe.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 12:18 >>> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net <ncc-announce at ripe.net> >>> Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 >>> Proposals You don't often get email from simonjh at ripe.net. Learn why >>> this is important >>> >>> Dear RIPE NCC members, >>> >>> >>> We can now share three draft charging scheme models for 2025 that the >>> Executive Board approved with the following resolution at its meeting >>> on 25 March 2024: >>> >>> >>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the submission of the RIPE NCC >>> Charging Scheme 2025 options to the upcoming RIPE NCC General Meeting >>> for members to vote on. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Option A - Charging Scheme as is with 22.58% price increase for >>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,900) and a 0% price >>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR >>> 50) >>> >>> - Option B - Charging Scheme as is with 20.97% price increase for >>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,875) and a 50% price >>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR >>> 75) >>> >>> - Option C - Charging Scheme as is with 16.13% price increase for >>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,800), a 50% price >>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR >>> 75) and a new AS Numbers fee of EUR 50 per assignment >>> >>> >>> *Resources falling under this charge are IPv4 and IPv6 PI >>> assignments; Anycast assignments; IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments; and >>> Legacy IPv4 resource registrations through a sponsoring LIR. >>> >>> >>> The full draft charging scheme models are available from the GM >>> Documentation page: >>> https://www/ >>> .ripe.net%2Fmembership%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Fmay-2024%2Fdocume >>> ntation-and-archives%2Fsupporting-documents%2F&data=05%7C02%7CEvgeniy >>> .Brodskiy%40kyivstar.net%7C3dec1d17e9f54232d88c08dc5a18264a%7Cf8f9bd5 >>> 73bba4300a6ec3b8e70a30986%7C0%7C0%7C638484307004040536%7CUnknown%7CTW >>> FpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI >>> 6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3tUyMKDzZZY69M3vjjDqaKxgBrrQMeI1rnhBImzaex >>> Q%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> Although the proposed models are relatively simple, we provide a >>> calculator where you can see exactly what you would pay under each of >>> the proposed models: >>> >>> https://www/ >>> .ripe.net%2Fdocuments%2F3757%2FCS2025_Member_Calculator.xlsx&data=05% >>> 7C02%7CEvgeniy.Brodskiy%40kyivstar.net%7C3dec1d17e9f54232d88c08dc5a18 >>> 264a%7Cf8f9bd573bba4300a6ec3b8e70a30986%7C0%7C0%7C638484307004051566% >>> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I >>> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=glTH6W6VCl6MSXrBbsUC8A4K%2FK >>> TE8%2FavtiBwmmokOEY%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> The main considerations for the Executive Board in proposing these >>> three models are: >>> >>> 1. The consolidation of LIR accounts, which means the burden to >>> generate sufficient income must be met by fewer accounts >>> >>> 2. Increased costs due to inflation that were previously catered for >>> by the large number of LIR accounts >>> >>> 3. Following the discussions last year and again this year, there >>> appears to be no clear consensus among members on how a >>> category-based model would work and the Board does not wish to put >>> another category model forward at the upcoming GM that will be >>> rejected by the members. Rather, the Board will propose a simple >>> model that guarantees adequate funding for 2025 and 2026 - under this >>> proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase for >>> 2026. The Board will work with the RIPE NCC on a more in-depth >>> consultation with the members aimed at arriving at a sustainable >>> solution for 2027 and beyond, possibly involving a new charging >>> scheme task force. >>> >>> >>> All three proposed models are designed to arrive at the same income >>> of EUR 41.1 million for the RIPE NCC in 2025. This will cover all >>> current services and activities, a 5% staff cost increase, a 2% >>> inflation increase on all non-staff costs, and EUR 1 million for >>> additional work relating to registry complexity and security projects >>> aimed at ensuring the resilience of the Registry and the RIPE NCC >>> more broadly. >>> Any such additional work would be discussed with the membership >>> during Activity Plan and Budget consultations and then need to be >>> approved by the Board. This will also allow some leeway should more >>> LIR accounts close than we expect. >>> >>> >>> It’s important to note that the RIPE NCC aims for an income budget >>> that will provide a surplus, and this means that should we meet our >>> budgetary targets, a surplus can be returned to members in 2026 >>> should they so wish. >>> >>> >>> While the RIPE NCC continues to carry out cost-cutting efforts across >>> the organisation, drastically reducing the budget at this time is not >>> advisable due to the work that needs to be carried out, especially in >>> relation to maintaining high-quality registry services and securing >>> the registry and RIPE NCC systems. Cutting services or activities is >>> not something the Board is planning to do, and such actions would >>> take time and need full consultation with the membership. An overview >>> of the activities and services that the membership fee covers is >>> provided below this email. >>> >>> >>> I also urge you to see the presentation we delivered at the charging >>> scheme open house in March so that the full context of the situation >>> and the financial landscape we face is clear to you. The slides are >>> available at: >>> >>> https://www/ >>> .ripe.net%2Fmembership%2Fmeetings%2Fopen-house%2Fripe-ncc-charging-sc >>> heme-2025%2F&data=05%7C02%7CEvgeniy.Brodskiy%40kyivstar.net%7C3dec1d1 >>> 7e9f54232d88c08dc5a18264a%7Cf8f9bd573bba4300a6ec3b8e70a30986%7C0%7C0% >>> 7C638484307004057320%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ >>> IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5GTeIyn >>> nzxx1WLZ%2BDRoFNWAhaRPvTemPafvKwlIaEEk%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, I want to thank all those who have contributed to the >>> consultation so far on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. The models >>> we present here are draft and in two weeks we will announce the final >>> proposal that members will vote on at the GM on 22-24 May. Please >>> discuss the draft proposal on the members-discuss at ripe.net list - any >>> input received by 19 April can be incorporated if possible into the >>> final models we propose. And make sure to register for the GM so that >>> you can vote on the charging scheme that will apply for you and all >>> members next year: >>> >>> https://my/. >>> ripe.net%2F%23%2Fmeetings%2Factive&data=05%7C02%7CEvgeniy.Brodskiy%40 >>> kyivstar.net%7C3dec1d17e9f54232d88c08dc5a18264a%7Cf8f9bd573bba4300a6e >>> c3b8e70a30986%7C0%7C0%7C638484307004063238%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey >>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0% >>> 7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BkYHbjPqA8CwacCNlVg0M%2FVvao%2FK8z1zB8hrEeaLXVg%3D&r >>> eserved=0 >>> >>> >>> Simon-Jan Haytink >>> >>> Chief Financial Officer >>> >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> >>> Services and Activities Covered by the Member Fee >>> >>> >>> - A trusted, efficient, accurate and resilient registry that >>> guarantees uniqueness of resources held by members >>> >>> - Neutral information services uninfluenced by commercial or >>> government interests that allow both the RIPE NCC and the community >>> to carry out useful research into the Internet >>> >>> - 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