[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available
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Daniel Pearson
daniel at privatesystems.net
Thu Apr 11 17:00:47 CEST 2024
Your argument is flawed. "in the end will left 2k-3k members (levels around 2005)" If we have 2k-3k members, then RIPE absolutely does not need 200 employees to manage those few members and it does not need a 41 million dollar budget... On 4/11/24 9:53 AM, ivaylo wrote: > >> Sorry, it is already was discussed. >> It's wrong model with categories. ... > > So all other RIRs are wrong ? Only RIPE is on the right road ? > > From what I see "Alpha Net Telecom" still do not have IPV6 (why?) and > your > company holds sumary less of 2 x /19 IPV4 blocks so ... > > I wrote about my calculation (based on IANA resources delegated to > RIPE) for charging scheme a week ago: Your company will pay 1500 euro > / year and RIPE bugdet will be up to 64M - sustainable for the next 10 > years. So why you lobbing for something worse for you ? > > Let me tell you what will happen if we keep going with the flat fee > for all... Merging Merging Merging in the end will left 2k-3k members > (levels around 2005). You will be pay then 21 000 Euro and your > resources will be still same. When 10 other LIRs are merged each of > them will pay 2k again and will have same resources. how it sounds to > you ? What you will say then in that future moment ? Do you think you > can make a change in RIPE charging scheme _THEN_ (when all will waht > to keep going with the flat model) ? > > > Ivaylo Josifov > VarnaIX / Varteh LTD > +359 52 969393 > Varna, Bulgaria > > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, sdy at a-n-t.ru wrote: > >> Sorry, it is already was discussed. >> It's wrong model with categories. It do not anything to decide resources >> deficits. >> It is strongly must be payment for each assigned deficit resource, like >> was the land tax in England. Only this way making all NCC equal in >> their >> rights, and will return unused resources to NCC. >> >> WE need to vote at first MUST we pay for each deficit resource or >> not. And >> it NEED to take in vote all NCC members! >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> i dont understand, why RIPE try to punish the small providers, as a >>> non-profit organisation. They are trying to punish the small >>> providers and >>> strengthen or favor big proividers. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are thousends of solution advices from members as i see. Many >>> good >>> offers but also examples from other RIRs. Why still try to >>> monopolize the >>> sector by doing this. >>> >>> >>> >>> For example: >>> >>> >>> >>> IPv4 = IPv4 Allocations /24 >>> >>> MF = Yearly Fee >>> >>> AF = Allocation Fee >>> >>> PR = Percentage of the Yearly Fee to the Allocation Fee >>> >>> >>> >>> IPv4 MF AF >>> PR >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> 16384 1.875 1.228.800 %0,15 >>> >>> 4096 1.875 307.200 >>> %0,6 >>> >>> 256 1.875 19.200 >>> %9,7 >>> >>> 16 1.875 1.200 >>> %156 >>> >>> 1 1.875 75 >>> %2500 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All the adviced models are very similar and as you can see, for the >>> smaller providers it is so dependant. >>> >>> >>> >>> And another point is, that the adviced schemes are almost identical. >>> What >>> should be chosen, i am not sure. >>> >>> >>> >>> If needed, surely can be found many solution variations, and i am sure >>> better than adviced schemes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Instead of monopolizing the big providers, by advicing >>> consolidation, you >>> should provide some relif for small providers. >>> >>> >>> >>> And in all the adviced schemes the Yaerly Fee for every LIR account >>> is too >>> much for small providers? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best Regards >>> >>> Murat TERZIOGLU >>> PREBITS >>> >>> >>> >>> Bochumer Str. 20 >>> >>> 44866 Bochum >>> >>> Deutschland >>> >>> >>> >>> Telefon: 0234/58825994 >>> >>> Telefax: 0234/58825995 >>> >>> >>> >>> <http://www.prebits.de/> www.prebits.de >>> >>> <mailto:info at prebits.de> info at prebits.de >>> >>> >>> >>> USt-ID: DE315418902 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von >>> Martin Millnert via members-discuss >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2024 14:43 >>> An: Fergal Cunningham <fergalc at ripe.net> >>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net >>> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open >>> House: >>> Recording and Slides Available >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Fergal, >>> >>> >>> >>> I don?t envy the challenge of the board with this feedback, but I >>> suspect >>> it is wise to listen to it else the platform for new candidates to the >>> board the next 5 years seems to be pretty straightforward and likely >>> to be >>> elected: Cost reductions. >>> >>> >>> >>> As a side, doesn?t the articles of association allow for membership >>> organized items for AGM to vote on as well? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Martin Millnert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 15:38, Fergal Cunningham <fergalc at ripe.net >>> <mailto:fergalc at ripe.net> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Martin, >>> >>> The Executive Board decided on these draft options at its meeting on >>> 25th >>> of March. So now the Board and management will follow the feedback >>> on the >>> draft proposal on the list. They will decide by 24 April if these >>> will be >>> the final options to vote on at the GM or if they want to make >>> amendments. >>> So essentially the decision on what gets voted on at the GM is made >>> by the >>> Board. You can see the minutes from that meeting here (section 3.3 >>> on the >>> Charging Scheme): >>> https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2024/174th-executive-board-meeting-minutes/ >>> >>> >>> And it's worth mentioning that this list is for members to discuss the >>> issues while we and the board will listen. But we will of course >>> reply and >>> provide information to address the points raised if at all possible. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Fergal >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:41?PM <sdy at a-n-t.ru <mailto:sdy at a-n-t.ru> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> I want to ask add to vote variant D. >>> All as was before+5% inflation and 10E per 1024 addresses IPv4 per year >>> (counting at 31 december). Can we try to vote it too? >>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Mar 2024, at 15:27, Fergal Cunningham <fergalc at ripe.net >>>>> <mailto:fergalc at ripe.net> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> This Wednesday, 20 March, we held an Open House with members about >>>>> the >>>>> RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. There was a presentation from RIPE NCC >>>>> staff, including our CFO and Managing Director, as well as statements >>>>> from both the Executive Board Chair and Treasurer. >>>>> >>>>> There was a productive discussion about the financial landscape we >>>>> are >>>>> operating in and thoughts about how best to fund the RIPE NCC. The >>>>> Executive Board will meet on Monday and discuss what we heard this >>>>> week, >>>>> and they will decide on a draft charging proposal to put forward >>>>> to the >>>>> members in April. >>>>> >>>>> The session recording and the slides from the presentation are >>>>> available >>>>> at: >>>>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-2025/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At the bottom of this mail you can find the timestamps for the >>>>> sections >>>>> of the presentation and Q&A. >>>>> >>>>> We greatly appreciate the input we received from members this week >>>>> and >>>>> the constructive nature of the discussions. We encourage you all to >>>>> continue to discuss the charging scheme on this list. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Fergal Cunningham >>>>> Head of Membership Engagement >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>>> >>>>> Open House Timestamps >>>>> >>>>> 01:30 Welcome and Agenda, Fergal Cunningham >>>>> 04:30 Development and History of the Charging Scheme, Fergal >>>>> Cunningham >>>>> 12:45 Consolidation and Inflation, Simon Jan Haytink >>>>> 19:10 The Work We Need to Fund, Simon Jan Haytink >>>>> 22:30 Summary and Key Questions, Hans Petter Holen >>>>> 27:20 Statement from Executive Board Chair, Ond?ej Filip >>>>> 30:30 Statement from Executive Board Treasurer, Raymond Jetten >>>>> 32:45 Q&A with RIPE NCC Members >>>> >>>> Dear Fergal, >>>> >>>> What is the formal process of deciding what options the AGM get to >>>> vote >>>> at, during the upcoming AGM? >>>> >>>> >>>> I would like to suggest a Consumer Price Index based re-indexing of >>>> the >>>> costs, using standard European CPI numbers from Eurostat. We all have >>>> to >>>> deal with increases in costs due to inflation, and it?s fair that RIPE >>>> does not have to fight inflation alone. Yearly inflation as >>>> released in >>>> March 2024 was at 2.4% ? >>>> https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-euro-indicators/w/2-03042024-ap >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Martin_______________________________________________ >>>> members-discuss mailing list >>>> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru >>>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------- >>> ? ????????? ???????? ??????? >>> ??? 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