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Paul Newton
paul.newton at f4rn.org.uk
Fri Apr 12 09:48:20 CEST 2024
With all the focus on how to apportion costs, I hope we don't lose focus on the total budget. As a small LIR, we are unable to take advantage of the peripheral activities, credits, etc, we just want to register. By analogy, we can't afford an all-inclusive package holiday, we just want to hire a car! Paul F4RN On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 08:25 , <m.terzioglu at prebits.de> wrote: > This is good point of view i think. > > Non-profit organisation but by doing this they are punishing people. > > As old as you were and as clever as you were, you take resources... > > > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > Murat TERZIOGLU > PREBITS > > Bochumer Str. 20 > 44866 Bochum > Deutschland > > Telefon: 0234/58825994 > Telefax: 0234/58825995 > > www.prebits.de > info at prebits.de > > USt-ID: DE315418902 > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von > ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2024 18:46 > An: members-discuss at ripe.net > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging > Scheme 2025 Proposals > > RIPE saying about last IPv4 /8 is run out, but stop... > > IPv4 /8 - Mercedes-Benz Group AG > > https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/query?bflag=false&dflag=false&rflag=true&searchtext=53.0.0.0&source=RIPE > (over 50% of pool unused! Guess they even didnt have so much cars for so > much IPs) > > IPv4 /8 - UK Ministry of Defence > > https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/query?bflag=false&dflag=false&rflag=true&searchtext=25.0.0.0&source=RIPE > (Never was announced - > https://stat.ripe.net/ui2013/%2025.0.0.0#tabId=at-a-glance) > > This members hold most biggest blocks in RIPE and didnt use it, but pay > same - 50 EUR/year for this IPv4 /8. > > When some LIRs have /8 and pay for that 50 EUR/year + 1600 EUR/year > (membership fee), other members paying same amount for 1 x /24 (if they > have luck!) > > Its nonsense, why RIPE continue to funding more and more budgets from > small LIRs? > > Its looks not good. Its looks like a some lobby! > > On 11.04.2024 15:52, Dmitry Kohmanyuk via members-discuss wrote: > > On 11 Apr 2024, at 16:55, Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss < > members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote: > >> > >> Confidential/Конфіденційно > > > > Just a note: you are posting on mailing list which is archived so > > everyone can read every post, yours too. Perhaps that line was added > > automatically:) > > > >> > >> Why do you think this statement is correct: “They are the main source > of work for RIPE employees.” ?? > >> > >> Even if you think about auditing or maintaining RIPE DB, it would be > strange to think that working with /16 requires 256 times more time and > effort than working with /24. > >> If you think about different "non-MAIN" services like Learning, then > there is no difference between big and small LIR at all. > >> Resources do not reflect all of these dependencies. And again you are > talking about fairness. > > > > In the fairness of use of learning resources, RPKI, Training you are > correct, yet we are talking about “cost of doing business” resources. > Since you seem to represent a biggest mobile telecom of Ukraine, Kyivstar, > and also the only IPv6-enabled large ISP in the country (thanks for that > btw) - what is your opinion re charging per resource allocated, either by > category method, or logarithmic method, or some other (number of resources > in use, objects in the database, etc.). Your company makes heavy use of > IPv4 and has millions of subscribers: what does “fair” sounds like to you? > Do you support extra fees for those who have IPv4 available, or discount > for those who have to make do with IPv6 only? > > > > (Deleting hundreds of quoted lines below.) > > > > — dk at hostmaster.ua “We had IPv6 before Kyivstar” > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > >> Mihail Fedorov > >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 3:39 PM > >> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC > >> Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals > >> > >> Charging per ASN is even worse than just price increase. It is > >> terrible and killing even more LIRs > >> > >> Imagine rather new LIR who is trying to do business based on what is > LIR intended for - providing LIR services to consumers. For example 30 > clients who requested ASN sponsorship during year. > >> If charged per ASN they will pay twice more than huge corporations > serving only purpose of their own. Those typically have just 1-2 ASNs and > tons of resources attached to it. They are main source of work for RIPE > staff and they should be funding expensive projects like Atlas and others. > >> > >> Actually working LIRs also have business contracts/logic already > established on current charging scheme and adding ASN fee will kill them. > >> > >> Once again - why not just bill based on resources? It’s extremely easy. > Oh, right, resource holders won’t like it : > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/admin%40roskomn > > adzor.io > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/m.terzioglu%40prebits.de > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/paul.newton%40f4rn.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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