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Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf
ripe-members at sebastian-graf.at
Fri Apr 12 13:45:10 CEST 2024
Dear Tobias, >... which last year were equally strong against the proposed per-resource/category charging model. Looking back at the disucssion and the calculator linked at https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2024-consultation/ Its evident that the vote really was 3 options that where more all expensive than the existing fee, or keeping the fee the same. So i would say members last year voted for "no increase in expenses". This did not mean explicitly mean "no resource based model", as the only option for a resource based model was also more expensive. On 4/12/24 12:17 PM, Tobias Fiebig via members-discuss wrote: > Dear Sebastian, > >> Evendientally if you look at this discussion and the ones i see going >> on via other channels, this is a misunderstanding on your part. > So far, I do see a lot of opinions... > >>> no 'per resource' charging scheme, if I remember correctly. >> Just because for one year, members opted not do do tesource based (by >> vote) does not mean that there may not be any resource based models >> in the future. > ... which last year were equally strong against the proposed per- > resource/category charging model. > >>> I see you misunderstood the point. >> All i see is one LIR/member suggesting to another LIR/member (wich >> has the same rights/voting power/.....): I dont think it makes sense >> for you, you should really just pay me instead of being a member. > Oh, but I am happily buying the RIPE cake with all its implications. > >> I dont think any of us get to make the judgement of what is the right >> reason/model/buisness type to be a ripe member. If all the members >> are equal with regard to the ncc, then we also have to accept tat >> there are different viewpoints that do not nessecarily allign with >> ours. As such, If enough people now want Y instead of X like it was >> in the past, then this is a completely legimate thing. > Let's try another example. > > Imagine there was a football club in a small town, and each member gets > a pair of--limited availability--football shoes along with the > membership (and more if they do need more or the old ones break). The > membership costs EUR10/month. Now, a lot of people want those shoes and > join the club. Then, the club runs out of shoes. > > The club, however, needs to raise the membership fee to EUR12/month, to > keep paying for the football field, the matches, the training sessions > etc. given increasing prices. > > Some members now voice their opinion that the club should, instead > reduce the fee, as new members did not get shoes (in time), at least > for those who did not get shoes (or not that many). Instead, people > with a lot of shoes should pay more. Furthermore, it might be good to > consider getting rid of that large football field, and maybe costs for > reimbursing the trainers... > > Now, I am there to play football, and not get shoes; However, if the > argument becomes--as often heard in this thread already--"we did not > get football shoes, but paid for them", I do indeed feel inclined to > suggest a visit to the Adidas Store down-town, which happens to have > readily available football shoes on sale (and rent). > > Now, there can be a discussion on whether the club-house really _needs_ > to be that expensive; However, when the discussion starts focusing on > the shoes, it seems to me that the discussion goes a bit besides the > point. > > I am, by the way, still waiting for an illustration of "my own > interests". As I said, really curious what these might be. > > With best regards, > Tobias > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20240412/0080e6ba/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_0xCB3F9792B5ACD96C.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 3935 bytes Desc: OpenPGP public key URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20240412/0080e6ba/attachment.bin> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 840 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20240412/0080e6ba/attachment.sig>
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