[members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
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Tue Apr 16 16:37:32 CEST 2024
I guess UK Gov spend MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE on all kinds of stationery in offices nor that amount :D So, dont need to worry about UK Gov, they pretty rich. On 16.04.2024 14:25, Daniel Pearson wrote: > I'd like to see you tell the UK Government that they are going to pay 1 > Euro per IP for a /8 > > Let me know how that conversation goes :) > > > > On 4/16/24 9:20 AM, Petru Bunea wrote: >> This is NOT a good example. In this example we see how a /22 >> allocation pays 1094 EUR per year, which is close to 1 EUR / 1 IP / >> Year, and a /8 allocation pays 48.000 EUR, which is 0.003 EURO / 1 IP >> / Year, which is 333 times less expensive. So tell me again how this >> is a good example. >> >> Thanks >> >>> On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote: >>> >>> very good example Sebastian >>> >>> Others are doing it and Europe should too >>> >>> We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages. >>> We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others. >>> >>> The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay >>> they need to be calculated >>> >>> But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for >>> >>> >>> Pozdrawiam >>> Gabriel Sulka >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Firma Handlowo - Usługowa KOMPEX >>> 34-400 Nowy Targ ul. Szaflarska 62A >>> tel(18) 264-60-55 pn-pt 09:30 - 17:00 sb. 09:30 - 13:00 >>> www.kompex.pl <http://www.kompex.pl/>;bok at kompex.pl;kompex at nowytarg.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of >>> Sebastien Brossier >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM >>> To:members-discuss at ripe.net >>> Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting >>> options. >>> >>> >>> *1 - Introduction:* >>> >>> This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not >>> familiar with this, you can see an example here: >>> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f >>> ees-calculator/ >>> >>> The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not >>> linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much >>> resources. >>> The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with >>> infinite granularity (no categories). >>> >>> It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain >>> viable when IPv4 has disappeared. >>> >>> I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has >>> larger initial allocations. >>> >>> Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as >>> before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate >>> debate on these subjects at a later time. >>> >>> The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a >>> very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain >>> existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous >>> and diverse. >>> >>> >>> *2 - Charging scheme:* >>> >>> (Warning: math incoming !) >>> >>> IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated >>> (excluding independent assignments and legacy) >>> IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated >>> (excluding independent assignments) >>> >>> Base_Fee = 638 EUR >>> Bit_Factor = 1.31 >>> Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR >>> Offset_IPv4 = 8 >>> Offset_IPv6 = 24 >>> >>> IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4) >>> IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6) >>> >>> Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee) >>> + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN) >>> >>> My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average >>> fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it >>> should provide the same budget as the other options. >>> If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can >>> adjust Base_Fee. >>> >>> >>> *3 - Examples:* >>> >>> 50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees. >>> >>> No allocations: 500 EUR >>> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32: 638 EUR >>> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31: 835 EUR >>> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30:1094 EUR >>> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29:1434 EUR >>> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28:1878 EUR >>> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27:2461 EUR >>> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26:3224 EUR >>> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25:4223 EUR >>> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24:5533 EUR >>> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23:7248 EUR >>> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22:9495 EUR >>> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21:12439 EUR >>> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20:16295 EUR >>> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19:21347 EUR >>> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18:27965 EUR >>> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17:36634 EUR >>> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16:47991 EUR >>> >>> Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR. >>> >>> There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these >>> numbers. >>> >>> If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee >>> schedule of the other RIRs. >>> >>> >>> Thank you if you've read this far. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Sebastien Brossier >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/gabi%40kompex.pl >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/daniel%40privatesystems.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/admin%40roskomnadzor.io >
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