[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available

Hello,

That is not a valid way to put it. Simply because this resource is low on supply, does not mean that the owners of the actual resource should be coerced (financially or any way to be honest) to return it. 
Also the low supply is not necessarily created by small/medium companies, it is created by big first players in the industry.

The 185.0.0.0/8 prefix that RIPE handed to LIR’s since 2013, it lasted for 6 years and it reached to thousands and thousands of companies that created a value added chain. 
Now if you look at assigned IPv4 to companies, you can see that companies like Ford and Mercedes and Cogent have EACH a /8. Which means supply for another 18 years for a RIR like RIPE. 
Yes, Cogent is a big ISP, but they do not need 16 million IPV4 on top of the other milions they have. 

And let’s not talk about the other 13 x /8 that a certain government agency has. 

By forcing some LIRs to give back some IPv4, we are searching to financially target companies that got late in the game.
The big players are LEGACY holders and cannot be coerced at this point to pay anything for their resources. 
So how is that fair?

Thanks,
Petru

> On 29 Mar 2024, at 14:01, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> it would be fair if the resource was not valued as a resource
> only as the number of IPs
> IP should be the basis for settlement - it is actually a cost
> there is a shortage of addresses, and some people have a lot of them unused
> and do not return them.
> If they paid for the addresses and it was a cost for them, they would wonder
> whether they really need them or whether it would be better to return some
> of them.
> 
> Pozdrawiam
> Gabriel Sulka
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> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House:
> Recording and Slides Available
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:04:30PM +0100, Andrea Borghi wrote:
>> My humble proposal is to class basing on how many additional resources 
>> a company have beyond the basics that was valid at the time of joining
> Ripe.
> 
> ... and possibly how old these resources are... we got our blocks in
> 1995/1996, and they are considered "large" by today's standards.  Back then,
> it was what you got as a fast-growing small ISP...
> 
> So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a yearly
> depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've been paying
> our share for the last 29(!) years already).
> 
> Gert Doering
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