[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
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Wed May 15 20:14:54 CEST 2024
May be... May be... Time will decide who is right. It was only first inflation step, with 23% payment rise. Next year it will be more and more. So discussion will not stop. > I completely understand. > > > > I don’t see a big difference between rollback of IP allocation or rollback > of RIPE membership it is the same set of rules. > > If you insist to change one action done in the past why somebody else cant > insist to change other action done also in the past ? > > > > most of the LIRs are not satisfied - sorry it's completely speculative. I > see a couple of very loud people in this mailing list but it is not a > majority at all. > > Also a see a result of voting and it shows that your statement completely > wrong. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > sdy at a-n-t.ru > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 8:50 PM > To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > > > You still don't understand. > > > > We didn't just agree to the rules (Ok), we all became equal members of the > community. And this community can change the rules in their common > interests. > > > > Obviously, most of the LIRs are not satisfied with the current situation > with a lack of access to resources and growing payments. > > So the rules need to be changed. And apparently 7% of those who own 84% of > the resources will have to pay much more or release scarce resources. > > > > It's in the best interest of the whole community. > > ---- > > Serbulov Dmitry > > > >> Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - > >> "members fee" and it is members fee. > >> > >> I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. > >> You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but > >> not Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same > >> time. How it is possible ? > >> And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR > >> for registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your > >> point of view ?? > >> > >> I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs > >> according to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to > >> provide access to Internet for our subscribers. > >> And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people > >> to internet. Hope same as you... > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: members-discuss >> <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> >> On Behalf Of > >> sdy at a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy at a-n-t.ru> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM > >> To: Evgeniy Brodskiy >> <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net<mailto:Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>> > >> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > >> > >> It is not talk about "different members fee"! > >> > >> It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we > >> have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. > >> > >> Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner > >> organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at > >> all a gathering of big players and address speculators. > >> > >> Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources > >> from different networks. > >> If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, > >> then we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! > >> > >> So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? > >> > >>> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about > >>> different members fee ? > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> От: members-discuss >>> <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> >>> от имени > >>> sdy at a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy at a-n-t.ru> <sdy at a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy at a-n-t.ru>> > >>> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM > >>> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si<mailto:jan at go6.si>> > >>> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >>> <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>> > >>> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > >>> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > >>> > >>> Dear Jan. > >>> > >>> We have alternative look! > >>> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to > >>> equal parts for every NCC member! > >>> > >>> P.S. > >>> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. > >>> > >>> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for > >>> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from > >>> your salary and taxes too? > >>> > >>>> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: > >>>>> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have > >>>>> more votes? Im think so - NO. > >>>> > >>>> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. > >>>>> Why Big members must have more votes? 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