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sdy at a-n-t.ru
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Thu May 16 12:11:17 CEST 2024
No. I'll (and sure many else LIRs) be much more happy, if large holders give to each LIRs /20 Ipv4 than pay 100 euro for me more for year. No more small/large categories! Only flat payment for EVERY deficit resource now will make some progress in situation. ----- Dmitry Serbulov > Strongly agree! (Even if I show up at the GM.) > > -- > Kind Regards > Sebastian > > > Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> im Auftrag von > Alex Le Heux <aleheux at ting.com> > Datum: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2024 um 11:53 > An: sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> > Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > >> On 15 May 2024, at 19:50, sdy at a-n-t.ru wrote: >> >> You still don't understand. >> >> We didn't just agree to the rules (Ok), we all became equal members of >> the >> community. And this community can change the rules in their common >> interests. >> >> Obviously, most of the LIRs are not satisfied with the current situation >> with a lack of access to resources and growing payments. >> So the rules need to be changed. And apparently 7% of those who own 84% >> of >> the resources will have to pay much more or release scarce resources. > > > I beg to differ. > > Most members are perfectly fine with the current situation and implicitly > trust the Board to come up with reasonable charging scheme. > > Only a tiny percentage of members ever show up for a GM. Why is that? > > Very simple: > > GM meetings tend to be very boring. They’re mostly about budgets and > charging schemes. > > The membership fee is very low and always has been: Most of us have QSFPs > in our networks that cost more than the RIPE NCC membership. A single > router costs 10-100x more and I buy them by the pallet. The membership fee > is a vanishingly small part of our budget and that’s true for most members > that run actual networks. > > There is a very small minority who’s unhappy with the situation because a > few hundred euro is a big problem for them. > > And you know what? > > I don’t care. > > If there’s a charging scheme that makes me pay a little more to help those > folks out, I’m fine with that. > > So please make some concrete proposals instead of just complaining about > how unfair the world is. > > Maybe we should bring the Small, Medium, Large categories back, maybe we > need something else. > > But remember, it was the membership, which now includes you, that voted to > remove those categories.. > > Alex > > >> It's in the best interest of the whole community. >> ---- >> Serbulov Dmitry >> >>> Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members >>> fee" and it is members fee. >>> >>> I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. >>> You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not >>> Ok >>> with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How >>> it >>> is possible ? >>> And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR >>> for >>> registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your >>> point >>> of view ?? >>> >>> I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according >>> to >>> RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to >>> Internet for our subscribers. >>> And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people >>> to >>> internet. Hope same as you... >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of >>> sdy at a-n-t.ru >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM >>> To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> >>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net >>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >>> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >>> >>> It is not talk about "different members fee"! >>> >>> It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we >>> have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. >>> >>> Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner >>> organization >>> for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a >>> gathering >>> of big players and address speculators. >>> >>> Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources >>> from >>> different networks. >>> If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then >>> we >>> have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! >>> >>> So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? >>> >>>> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different >>>> members fee ? >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени >>>> sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> >>>> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM >>>> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si> >>>> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> >>>> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >>>> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >>>> >>>> Dear Jan. >>>> >>>> We have alternative look! >>>> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to >>>> equal parts for every NCC member! >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. >>>> >>>> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for >>>> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from >>>> your salary and taxes too? >>>> >>>>> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: >>>>>> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more >>>>>> votes? Im think so - NO. >>>>> >>>>> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. >>>>>> Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other! >>>>> >>>>> If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due >>>>> to larger IPv4 space), then it's only logical that they would request >>>>> proportionally more votes at the GM :) >>>>> >>>>> Do we really want that? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> members-discuss mailing list >>>>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>>>> 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