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Hank Nussbacher
hank at att.net.il
Thu Feb 26 10:47:12 CET 2004
At 03:41 PM 25-02-04 +0000, Carlos Friacas wrote: >3.0 Closing a LIR >Nice "wish-list", are closing LIRs going to waste any time doing it? From my experience - not one will *ever* inform RIPE. It is the last thing on their mind when closing shop. >4.0 > >"may decide": dont really like the wording. it needs objective boundaries! >"significant period of time": which is? 1 year/2 years/3 years ??? >"multiple warnings": boundaries again... >"the LIR must then provide": i find this unbelievable -- people dont pay, >or cant be reached, and even that way you state they have do provide >data? :-) >The last paragraph makes a LOT more sense! :-) I won't discuss takeovers since they probably only constitute 5% of the defunct LIRs but rather LIRs that no longer exist (95%) which should be covered by this document (it states the word "closure" in the title). In section 3.0 it states "In the case of a closure of an LIR, the RIPE NCC should be contacted at least three months prior to the required closure date at lir-help at ripe.net. Only registered LIR contact person(s) can discuss a closure of an LIR with the RIPE NCC. In case of bankruptcy, the court-appointed administrator may take over these responsibilities." Real world example: In April 2001 (yup!) I informed RIPE to reclaim 212.77.128.0/23 since that Israeli LIR went bankrupt and no longer existed. No luck. In June 2002 I tried again and pointed out that Doarnet no longer even appears as a LIR at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/indices/IL.html The answer I got back in June 2002 was "This IP range is a part of DoarNet Ltd's allocation. DoarNet Ltd's LIR is closed and we are going to take the whole allocation back in near future." (Ticket NCC#2002056720). Till today that IP range is still listed in whois. I have therefore not bothered to try to inform RIPE NCC of further "dead" IP ranges since it is a waste of my time as well as theirs. -Hank Nussbacher LIR: il.isoc and il.iucc >==================== > >Regards, > >./Carlos >-------------- IPv6 -> http://www.ip6.fccn.pt > Wide Area Network Workgroup, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN >FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional http://www.fccn.pt > > "Internet is just routes (131586/456), naming (millions) and... people!" > > > >On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service wrote: > > > New RIPE Document Announcement > > -------------------------------------- > > A new document is available from the RIPE document store. > > > > > > > > Ref: ripe-301 > > Title: Mergers, Acquisitions, Takeovers and > > Closures of Organisations Operating an LIR > > Author: Kamran Khalid > > Nurani Nimpuno > > Sabrina Wilmot > > Date: February 2004 > > Format: PDF=195891 TXT=13941 > > Obsoletes: ripe-185, ripe-241 > > Obsoleted by: > > Updates: > > Updated by: > > > > Short content description > > ------------------------- > > > > This document provides guidelines to Local Internet Registries (LIRs) > > on the steps to take when the organisation operating an LIR changes > > ownership (due to a merger, sale or takeover) or stops serving > > entirely as an LIR. > > > > > > > > Accessing the RIPE document store > > --------------------------------- > > > > You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at > > the following URL:. > > > > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/docs/mergers.html > > > > > > The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to > > ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. > > The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: > > > > ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.pdf PDF Version > > ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-301.txt plain text version
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