[ncc-services-wg] 2012-08 New Policy Proposal (Publication of Sponsoring LIR for Independent Number Resources)
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Michael Markstaller
mm at elabnet.de
Thu Oct 18 03:17:53 CEST 2012
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17.10.2012 23:53, Sascha Luck wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Michael Markstaller > wrote: >> Who is it then? >> >> Sorry, thats a little unfair.. We as LIR and me as CTO have to be >> responsible for our resources. Lets say it a little drastic: If >> someone asks me for a /24 to spam the world, I'd tell him I won't >> do this as I'm responsible what happens there. Point. > > They are not *your* resources, they are Provider-Independent. You > can, of course, write in your PI contract what you want, but not > all of us want to play internet police for some PI space we may not > even route. Hey, I didn't say that. The resources are lended and I dont want to play police (which is wrong, if then I'd want want to be a dictator ;)) I think we mean the same, I'm pro an open, legal system. But honestly, look at the PI-assigments: percentage with reachable eMails? Is it more than 10%? >> But would it be ok to tell: "Well, hmm, get a PI don't tell >> anybody it's from me and push out your shit over another provider >> so they just don't call up me?" Don't think so.. > > Yes, in the case of a politically controversial website or > something like that (think mohammed videos or such) this may be the > *only* way for someone to get PI and I'd like to keep it like > that. I understand your point (see the discussion on the weird uani request), my answer as LIR is: I'm not responsible or accountable for ressouces but - IMHO when I lend them from RIPE to someone, still somewhat in charge - and therefore I have to take care of, otherwise I could stay consumer and take PA, isn't it ? So again the question: why should PI be more or less more anonymous while we as LIR have to be transparant and tell ? So very tightened said: Why should have the PI-owners have better rights than me as a LIR? Said another way: I want their data, I want to know where, who etc.. This is not about collecting data (which I refuse), its about knowing what I need in case.. regards Michael Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB/WMEACgkQaWRHV2kMuAKQBwCdGotPHNGaegV7wj6JoqIdAh+4 XMcAoPCDn5fdGKDJuiqr6b3OeYSKPoIZ =5dsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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