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Michael Boehme
mboehme at webdiscount.net
Wed Aug 7 20:21:49 CEST 2019
Hi Carsten, Linda, maybe this is a good reference: ECB (european central bank) https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html maintains a list of all legal entities: <https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/.../pdf/List_of_legal_forms.xlsx%20Diese%20Seite%20%C3%BCbersetzen>https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/money/aggregates/anacredit/shared/pdf/List_of_legal_forms.xlsx This is for Anacredit and basically refers to who they would provide a loan to. https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/money_credit_banking/anacredit/html/index.en.html Besides all efforts making fraudsters life more difficult a GmbH & Co. KG is a very legitimate german legal entity. I wouldn´t consider a bank a hazardous rookie either ;-) Thanks Michael Mit freundlichen Grüßen Michael Böhme [signature_1499500069] [signature_1570171899] KOMPETENZ VERBINDET. WEBDISCOUNT GmbH & Co. KG Robert-Bosch-Straße 20 48153 Münster, Deutschland Fon +49 251 263930-0<tel:+492512639300> Fax +49 251 263930-49 www.webdiscount.net<http://www.webdiscount.net/> Sitz der Kommanditgesellschaft: Münster Amtsgericht Münster HRA 8897 USt.ID: DE 815 197 935 Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: WEBDISCOUNT Verwaltungs GmbH Sitz der GmbH: Münster Amtsgericht Münster HRB 12721 Geschäftsführer: Michael Böhme ________________________________ Von: ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net> im Auftrag von Carsten Schiefner <ripe-wgs.cs at schiefner.de> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. August 2019 18:06 An: Linda Slaakweg Cc: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net Betreff: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Issue with membership/registering resources with a german GmbH & Co. KG Hi Linda, and next to what Michale has written below, I know at least one GmbH & Co. KG where the City of Berlin is absolutely comfortable to have entered into a contractual relationship with this company. And civil servants are not really known IMHO to act as hazardous rookies... AFAICS the NCC overstretches it a bit here... Best, -C. On 07.08.2019 15:09, Michael Boehme wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I understand from the presentation at RIPE 78 that you want to make sure > resources get allocated to „real/existing“ holders, you want to limit > fraud and make sure you limit your „risk“. > > From the website you mentioned: > https://www.frankfurt-main.ihk.de/english/business/legal_forms/kg/index.html > > I don´t see why a „GmbH & Co. KG“ would not be able to fulfill your > requirements: > > /The KG does not possess its own legal personality distinct from the > partners themselves./ > > /Nevertheless, it is similar to a legal entity in that it can sue and be > sued before a court of law. It can acquire rights and enter into > liabilities, acquire possession and other in rem rights to real estates. > Each personally liable partner has the authorisation to manage and to > represent alone. The limited partners have no representation power to > the outside./ > > The „GmbH“ part is not trading, it is not earning money it is not having > assets and it will be a bad choice if you want to sue it or recover > anything. > (Except the 25.000 EUR share capital that is most likely absorbed by the > KG debts should the KG ever file bancrupcy before you have a chance to > claim your debt). > You won´t even have the chance to claim any of your debts against the > insolvency chart as the assets are in the KG and not the GmbH. > > > Thanks > Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20190807/9abc4ae9/attachment.html>
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