[ncc-services-wg] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
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Max Tulyev
president at ukraine.su
Tue Dec 6 15:08:50 CET 2022
Indeed. There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And transfers works with them well. 06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише: > Dear Olena, > > I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered > on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the > occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part > of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am > sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information > about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that > situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in > uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using > this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the > rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied. > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <kea at webpro.net.ua > <mailto:kea at webpro.net.ua>> wrote: > > Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga > > I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with > Russians, who might force IP > holders to make unlawful transfers." > Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an > email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact > on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled > territories. > Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change > every day. > I must also remind you _that open company registries are not > available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible > to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions. > > Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But > the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a > legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check. > > > Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work. > And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war. > > > _______________ > Best regards, > Olena Kushnir > > www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua> > > >> 5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <vasylevych at gmail.com >> <mailto:vasylevych at gmail.com>> написав(ла): >> >> Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues, >> >> It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address >> transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled >> territories. >> But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any >> accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85 >> meeting. >> It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to >> counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities. >> >> Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the >> danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity >> outages, which cause absence of water and heating. >> But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP >> holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous >> discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled >> territory does more harm than good. >> >> Your comprehension are greatly appreciated. >> >> Kind regards, >> Olha Sira >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen >> <hph+announce at ripe.net <mailto:hph+announce at ripe.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community >>> discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian >>> networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at >>> RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next. >>> >>> At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the >>> following points: >>> >>> - Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian >>> networks until a better solution can be found >>> - Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to >>> lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for >>> a set period of time >>> - The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without >>> going through the policy development process, especially as >>> policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP >>> even if there is unanimous support >>> - Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more >>> active role in terms of approving registry updates >>> - The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency >>> >>> However, we do note that there have been further comments on the >>> mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers. >>> >>> As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian >>> networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of >>> course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when >>> reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, >>> which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and >>> given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. >>> >>> This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the >>> advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC >>> staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures >>> and we will update you on our next steps after these have been >>> discussed with the Executive Board. >>> >>> We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the >>> mailing lists in the meantime. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Hans Petter Holen >>> Managing Director >>> RIPE NCC >>> >>> -- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, >>> or change your subscription options, please visit: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >>> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> >> >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or >> change your subscription options, please visit: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >> <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg> > >
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