[address-policy-wg] 2019-02 New Policy Proposal (Reducing IPv4 Allocations to a /24)
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Tue Feb 5 10:37:08 CET 2019
Hi, please see inline. On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, garry at nethinks.com wrote: > That is an option. But in order to not punish late entries to the market, Some "late entries" are/will not be market driven. Some companies/organisations could only be searching for a way to become independent from their ISPs/suppliers, and the only way they can do that (IPv4-wise) is to become a LIR and get their own chunk. I also hope that by doing so, they will also be flooded with information about IPv6. > it should also include a fixed timeframe when > EVERYBODY has to stop using v4 (at least on the public Internet) ... A flag day won't work. There are simply too many networks. > I don't see any technical reason why providers all over > the world still aren't able (or willing) to do v6 ... of course I know > you can't force customers to provide services on v6 (or even to use v6 - Yes, that's the main point. People use what they know it works, and they need to be comfortable about what they are using/managing. If all networks in the world were run by 10 or 100 people, then yes, an agreed change would be possible. However, that's not the case, so co-existence for a long period is unavoidable. >I believe of our customers, maybe 1% actively use v6, and another few > percent use it unknowingly :) ). Yes, people should be using IPv6 unknowingly (in a transparent way), but it's useful that network managers and sysadmins know about it :-) > From our point of view, we could drop external v4 pretty quickly if it > weren't required to reach (or be reached) by v4-only users/services ... That's everyone's case, i'm afraid :-)) I've been deploying and advocating IPv6 since 2001. Others have been doing it for a longer period. Within this timespan, i have only read about *one* organisation which publicly expressed plans to scrap IPv4 from their network/services, but they have dropped that in the meanwhile... IPv6 will not happen by decree, it is happenning, slowly, due to need and a vision for Internet's growth (imho). Best Regards, Carlos > -garry > > -- > > Garry Glendown * Professional Services & Solutions > > NETHINKS GmbH | Bahnhofstraße 16 | 36037 Fulda T +49 661 25 000 0 | F +49 661 25 000 49 | garry.glendown at nethinks.com > Geschäftsführer: Uwe Bergmann, Bastian Marmetschke Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Garry Glendown | AG Fulda HRB 2546 > > PGP Fingerprint: B1CF 4952 F6EB E060 8A10 B957 700E F97F B412 DD32
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