<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/></head><body style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Dear </span>Tore<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">,</span><br />
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; ">> The way I see it, this argument applies equally well to LIR->EU</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; " />
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; ">> assignments, and to {LIR,EU}->{LIR,EU} transfers. I don't understand</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; " />
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; ">> what makes sub-allocations special here.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: monospace, fixed; line-height: 15px; " />
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Transfers are very useful for permanent transfer.</div>
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Sub-allocations - for temporary use. This allows to control what happend's with IP-addresses while if they will be in black list (SpamHouse, etc..) - then impossible to use them in future.</div>
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Kind regards,<br />
Alexey Ivanov<br />
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09.10.2012 14:16 - Tore Anderson написал(а):<br />
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* Gert Doering<br />
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> James' proposal has its merits, but OTOH, just loosening up sub-allocations<br />
> might be the approach more appropriate for "the time we're living through".<br />
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> [...]<br />
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> While we still do not have much experience with sub-allocations, the<br />
> warning "if you hand it all out, you might not get new space easily,<br />
> so be wary" is moot - it's now "if you hand it out, there will not be<br />
> any more space, period!", and LIRs should have noticed *that* by now...<br />
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The way I see it, this argument applies equally well to LIR->EU<br />
assignments, and to {LIR,EU}->{LIR,EU} transfers. I don't understand<br />
what makes sub-allocations special here.<br />
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It would IMHO be much more interesting to see a proposal that would<br />
retire the needs-based principle completely for all forms of IPv4<br />
delegations (that aren't taken from the NCC pool). Does it really serve<br />
any useful purpose nowadays?<br />
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If some LIR wants to give away (assign, transfer, sub-allocate -<br />
whatever) all their remaining free space to someone who doesn't really<br />
need it - why not let them? It won't impact me or anyone else since<br />
their wasteful spending can no longer translate into an increased draw<br />
from the shared pool. I, on the other hand, would certainly not miss the<br />
assignment request documentation bureaucracy.<br />
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Tore Anderson<br />
Redpill Linpro AS - <a href="http://www.redpill-linpro.com/" target="_blank" title="http://www.redpill-linpro.com/">http://www.redpill-linpro.com/</a></div>
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