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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">hi Martin,<br>
<br>
I will try to answer some of the points you have raised in the
e-mails sent to this list in the past couple of days.<br>
<br>
On 19/02/15 19:26, Martin Millnert wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:1424370405.4066.10.camel@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
I also oppose this proposal.
I believe the best thing that can happen is for IPv4 to run out
completely, as fast as possible. </pre>
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[...]<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1424370405.4066.10.camel@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> I'm generally in favour of any proposal that hastens the run-out of
the final /8.
</pre>
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This community has decided to allow any new member to request and
receive a /22. It is quite clear that the RIPE community has chosen
a different approach than the one you are in favor of (and which is,
if I am not mistaken) the chosen path of the ARIN community.<br>
<br>
When the last /8 policy kicked in, the RIPE NCC had a /8 in its free
pool. Since September 2012 the RIPE NCC has made more than 5500 /22
allocations and the free pool is now even bigger (1.09 /8) than when
the policy got in effect. [1] shows that there are still 18.36
million IP addresses in the free pool.<br>
This means that new entrants will have a method to at least receive
a /22 from the RIPE NCC for the foreseeable future. <br>
<br>
When the last /22 policy was discussed and approved, the members of
this community knew that even if all the existing members would get
the last /22, there would still be enough addresses to support 6-8k
new entrants (considering that at that time there were 9-10k
members). Looking at the free pool now, I see there is enough space
for even more than 10k new entrants.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1424370405.4066.10.camel@gmail.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Increasing the RIPE NCC IPv4 price is counter-productive to that goal. </pre>
</blockquote>
This policy proposal does not intend to increase the IPv4 price. It
only wants to close a loophole where someone could just open an LIR
only for the reason to request and sell the /22 allocation
immediately. <br>
<br>
I will not try to comment on your conspiracy theories about the
'Internet world order' and how the community is trying to buy RIPE
NCC time to adjust to this 'world order'. <br>
I will also not comment on your idea of 'anti-competitive'
limitations. I think you should have had this discussion when the
'last /22 from the last /8' policy proposal was discussed.<br>
I will also not comment on your ideas that the RIPE NCC implements
'policies without any deliberation at all in the community'.
Firstly, because I know it's not true as all policy changes have
been going through this PDP process. Secondly, because I think it's
the RIPE NCC and the WG chairs who should respond to this
'accusation'. Thirdly, because this has nothing to do with this
policy proposal.<br>
<br>
Finally, If you think that the last /8 policy is bad and that the
RIPE NCC should implement a policy where all the free pool is
depleted as soon as possible, feel free to come up with a new policy
proposal.<br>
<br>
[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph">https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph</a><br>
<br>
regards,<br>
elvis<br>
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