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On 18/03/15 18:03, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 16:46, Nick Hilliard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">the price of a /22 obtained by LIR churn will remain at startup fee + 1Y
membership, and that it doesn't make any difference to the overall cost
whether this is done in Q1 or Q4 because when you open a LIR, you are
liable for a full year's membership fees. I.e. cost of doing this in
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Hi,
When you open a LIR you are liable for the opening fee corresponding to
the remaining period of the year ("the service fee, calculated pro rata
at the time of requesting membership").
Is someone opens a LIR in Q3, transfers the newly obtained space and
send the closing letter also in Q3, the closing will be effective in Q4
and the fee due only corresponds to half a year = 2800 EUR = 2.74
EUR/IP.
In Q4, it will roll-over to the next year (=4000 EUR = 3.9 EUR/IP).
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looks someone has done it's homework.. hehe :)<br>
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I am sure the RIPE NCC can clarify the procedures. How much one pays
if you open an LIR in Q3 vs Q4 vs Q1 and whether they can force an
LIR to stay open or pay for the one year fee before or after the
transfer of the /22.<br>
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The cost of opening an LIR in 2015 is, indeed �3600 (if the member
will pay the full membership fee for that year), I was under the
impression that the fee has been lowered to �1500 but I was wrong.<br>
<br>
However, if someone registers in Sept-2015 and chooses to pay
quarterly, once they have received the /22 and transferred it, what
forces them to pay for 2016? They can just announce the RIPE NCC in
Oct-2015 that they no longer want to be a member in 2016 and close
the LIR before December.. And even if the RIPE NCC continues to
issue invoices, they may just close the company or ignore the
messages from the RIPE NCC and then NCC's costs to chase the
non-payer may be bigger than the gain.<br>
<br>
I do not think that the RIPE NCC can force a member to pay one year
in advance for the membership services before transferring the /22.<br>
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I also do not think that the RIPE NCC can force anyone to keep an
LIR open in 2016 or pay for the membership fee in 2016 if they
announce the RIPE NCC that they want to close before December of
2015.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Elvis<br>
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