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    Dear Ciprian, 
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    <div>These is are false accusations and I please ask you to stop
      attacking me personally. As I said, if you or someone else have
      questions about my activity at RIPE NCC, you should contact me
      personally or the RIPE NCC directly. </div>
    <div><br>
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    <div>I understand that my policy proposal can upset you and other
      people. My intention is not to propose a policy that will affect
      your business but to propose something that will benefit the
      entire community. </div>
    <div>I also understand that we are competitors in the IP Broker
      space but in this mailing list I am simply talking as a member of
      the RIPE community. I believe that defaming competition is not a
      good practice and this is definitely not the place. </div>
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    <div>Again, I apologize if my policy proposal upsets you and other
      people and I can assure you that my intention is to propose
      something that will benefit all of us (the RIPE Community) in the
      long term. </div>
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    <div>Thank you,</div>
    <div>Elvis</div>
    <br>
    PS: Gert, I know I promised yesterday I will no longer reply back to
    attacks, but I had to reply to this one and ask Ciprian (one more
    time) to stop. Can you also do something about it?<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/06/15 06:43, Callum Stuart wrote:<br>
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          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);">One people
            named WW circulated the following info privately to a large
            group of people  in ripe region. </p>
          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);">can you swear
            that there was no conflict of interests ?   compared with
            the FIFA  corruption and collapse, how about we involves the
            investigation by FBI or Gov authority? maybe only through
            this way, the truth can be disclosed to the PUBLIC. </p>
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          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis, who
              used to work in RIPE from Nov, 2007 to May 2013,  has
              conspired with his countryman  and allocated plenty of
              RIPE IPv4 blocks to their own registered shell companies
              without employees. </i></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis
              established its brokerage company as soon as he resigned
              from RIPE and has sold  out  IPv4 blocks  that he had 
              reserved into his “own account”  ( one of the sale was to
              Saudi Telecommunication and the sale price is around
              7US).    This is not just an ethics problem here and he is
              committing the CRIME! Ironically,  it will so easy to
              become rich almost in one night by doing what Elvis has
              done.   How can RIPE just turn a blind eye on his
              committed Crime ?</i></p>
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          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Elvis has
              taken the advantage of his role as the IPRA ( he knows
              better about what IP values and the policy loopholes  than
              the others  )  and purposely allocated plenty of IPv4
              blocks to his own shell for the speculation. </i></p>
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          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Congrats to
              Elvis, he has succeeded in becoming a millionaire by
              committing crime!  Shame on those who do nothing to stop
              the crime. </i></p>
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            14px;"><i><br>
            </i></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>Cobalt IT
              (Evolva) same position like Elvis.. at same company.. </i></p>
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            </i></p>
          <p style="margin: 0px; color: rgb(35, 35, 35);"><i>See the
              evidences including ( company registration info, 
              resources, linkedin profiles etc) in the attachment. </i></p>
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      <p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:56
        PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net">address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net</a> wrote:</p>
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              <div>Send address-policy-wg mailing list submissions to</div>
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              <div>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
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              <div>or, via email, send a message with subject or body
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              <div>You can reach the person managing the list at</div>
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                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg-owner@ripe.net">address-policy-wg-owner@ripe.net</a></div>
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              <div>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is
                more specific</div>
              <div>than "Re: Contents of address-policy-wg digest..."</div>
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              <div>Today's Topics:</div>
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              <div> 1. Re: RIPE != RIPE NCC (Nick Hilliard)</div>
              <div> 2. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
                3rd time)</div>
              <div> (Elvis Daniel Velea)</div>
              <div> 3. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
                3rd time)</div>
              <div> (Silvia Hagen)</div>
              <div> 4. Re: Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the
                3rd time)</div>
              <div> (Hannigan, Martin)</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>----------------------------------------------------------------------</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Message: 1</div>
              <div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:03:03 +0100</div>
              <div>From: Nick Hilliard <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nick@inex.ie">nick@inex.ie</a>></div>
              <div>To: Randy Bush <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:randy@psg.com">randy@psg.com</a>>,
                Sascha Luck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:apwg@c4inet.net">apwg@c4inet.net</a>></div>
              <div>Cc: RIPE address policy WG <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>></div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC</div>
              <div>Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:55784397.1050704@inex.ie">55784397.1050704@inex.ie</a>></div>
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              <div>On 10/06/2015 14:03, Randy Bush wrote:</div>
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                  <div>what is missing here is that, if only LIRs
                    decided policy, a few</div>
                  <div>thousand folk (likely 10 people on a mailing
                    list), would decide policy</div>
                  <div>affecting millions internet users.</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
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              <div>~980m.</div>
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              <div>Nick</div>
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              <div>Message: 2</div>
              <div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:16:19 +0300</div>
              <div>From: Elvis Daniel Velea <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>></div>
              <div>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
                please stop (i ask</div>
              <div> for the 3rd time)</div>
              <div>Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:557846B3.1010009@velea.eu">557846B3.1010009@velea.eu</a>></div>
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              <div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > so not that the policy is useless but it's
                proposal was a mistake.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you
                and I already asked </div>
              <div>you to stop being rude, before you started the thread
                below.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Even though I already responded to a message you have
                sent yesterday </div>
              <div>telling you that it's not nice what you are doing,
                you have continued to </div>
              <div>make false accusations and wrongfully interpret what
                others have said. </div>
              <div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were
                just to start attacks </div>
              <div>against me...</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
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                <div>Hi,</div>
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              <div>[...]</div>
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                      <div>Please provide evidence for following claim,
                        otherwise you are just making</div>
                      <div>accusation without any support evidence.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
                        thousands of IPs, even approved</div>
                      <div>this last-second allocation. "</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on the
                        position to make final decision</div>
                      <div>about our allocation.</div>
                    </div>
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                  <div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
                    during that allocations. I</div>
                  <div>only was refering to what you told us, that Elvis
                    was the one that</div>
                  <div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know what
                    happens behind the scene</div>
                  <div>but that should also bring some questions.</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and
                used your wrong </div>
              <div>assumptions to start an attack against me. I was
                under the impression </div>
              <div>that you are better than this but it seems you are
                not better than all </div>
              <div>the others that have been attacking me over this
                policy proposal because </div>
              <div>their 'business' was affected. I wonder what kind of
                business you have </div>
              <div>if you publicly attack persons and companies relying
                on your own false </div>
              <div>assumptions.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his
                requests, he was </div>
              <div>unhappy that I was very strict. He, as well as other
                RIPE NCC Members </div>
              <div>may have seen me as a very strict person when I was
                working at the RIPE </div>
              <div>NCC. That was only because I always thrive to be very
                good at my job and </div>
              <div>I have always verified (maybe too much) in depth all
                the documentation </div>
              <div>received from LIRs. Just as you have received the /28
                IPv6 allocation </div>
              <div>(for your extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs
                may have have </div>
              <div>received large IPv4 allocations when these were
                justified.</div>
              <div>If you are complaining that your request got reduced
                from /13 to a /14, </div>
              <div>you should have complained at that time, you should
                have used all the </div>
              <div>tools you had if you think at that time the IPRAs
                were wrong - including </div>
              <div>the last option, request the arbiters to evaluate
                your request. You can </div>
              <div>not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could have
                received more if you </div>
              <div>would have been less strict (and assume that we have
                been less strict </div>
              <div>others), especially because you have no idea how
                strict the NCC IPRAs </div>
              <div>have been with Lu.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this
                proposal, you were </div>
              <div>at the RIPE Meetings where this issue was discussed -
                however, you </div>
              <div>decided that the AP-WG is not worth of your effort
                and you did not voice </div>
              <div>any opinion.</div>
              <div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start an
                attack against me </div>
              <div>(the proposer) and against some others that you feel
                'received more IPs </div>
              <div>from the RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in
                2012.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>[...]</div>
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                      <div>Again, you are making false statement without
                        any evidence, in reality, I</div>
                      <div>have never done any business with Elvis now
                        and past.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>I don't know anything about any relation that
                    might be between you and</div>
                  <div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you
                    the IPs (approving the</div>
                  <div>requests).</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He
                actually said that </div>
              <div>found me to be 'unfriendly' - while actually I was
                just strict, just as </div>
              <div>with all the other requests I evaluated in the 6
                years spent at the NCC.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>and before that you said:</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
                were allocated to you </div>
              <div>by the same person that has initiated this proposal.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>only to then say:</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > Yes, a few years ago he approved your
                allocations and now he is </div>
              <div>helping you sell the IPs.</div>
              <div> > Obviously he only dreams about world peace and
                there is no conflict </div>
              <div>of interests here.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>You know, and have been aware of this information for
                years, that one </div>
              <div>single IPRA could not approve /16 or larger
                allocations. However, you </div>
              <div>started to attack me implying that I have helped Lu
                receive the </div>
              <div>allocations and that then I tried to help him sell
                them. Plus, you know </div>
              <div>(and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had
                forgotten) that no </div>
              <div>single IPRA could approve a /15 or larger allocation
                without a second </div>
              <div>IPRA's evaluation and management and senior
                management approval.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian.
                But I would advise </div>
              <div>you to take a step or two back and look at all the
                things you have </div>
              <div>wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can
                contact me directly </div>
              <div>or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions
                about my activity </div>
              <div>at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about conflict of
                interests or all kind </div>
              <div>of conspiracy theories where there is none.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the
                past two days. </div>
              <div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Ciprian</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>/elvis</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>------------------------------</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Message: 3</div>
              <div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:46:31 +0000</div>
              <div>From: Silvia Hagen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>></div>
              <div>To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>" <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:elvis@velea.eu">elvis@velea.eu</a>>,
                "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>"</div>
              <div> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>></div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
                please stop (i ask</div>
              <div> for the 3rd time)</div>
              <div>Message-ID:
                <F1D4404E5E6C614EB9D3083F4D15A7E7C84FB0@hex02></div>
              <div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>This thread is like a great piece of comedy, thanks
                for entertainment</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Silvia</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----</div>
              <div>Von: address-policy-wg [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea</div>
              <div>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16</div>
              <div>An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
              <div>Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
                please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > so not that the policy is useless but it's
                proposal was a mistake.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you
                and I already asked you to stop being rude, before you
                started the thread below.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Even though I already responded to a message you have
                sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice what you
                are doing, you have continued to make false accusations
                and wrongfully interpret what others have said. </div>
              <div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were
                just to start attacks against me...</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>Hi,</div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>[...]</div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div>Please provide evidence for following claim,
                        otherwise you are just </div>
                      <div>making accusation without any support
                        evidence.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
                        thousands of IPs, even </div>
                      <div>approved this last-second allocation. "</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on the
                        position to make final </div>
                      <div>decision about our allocation.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
                    during that allocations. </div>
                  <div>I only was refering to what you told us, that
                    Elvis was the one that </div>
                  <div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know what
                    happens behind the </div>
                  <div>scene but that should also bring some questions.</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and
                used your wrong assumptions to start an attack against
                me. I was under the impression that you are better than
                this but it seems you are not better than all the others
                that have been attacking me over this policy proposal
                because their 'business' was affected. I wonder what
                kind of business you have if you publicly attack persons
                and companies relying on your own false assumptions.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his
                requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict. He, as
                well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen me as a
                very strict person when I was working at the RIPE NCC.
                That was only because I always thrive to be very good at
                my job and I have always verified (maybe too much) in
                depth all the documentation received from LIRs. Just as
                you have received the /28 IPv6 allocation (for your
                extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs may have have
                received large IPv4 allocations when these were
                justified.</div>
              <div>If you are complaining that your request got reduced
                from /13 to a /14, you should have complained at that
                time, you should have used all the tools you had if you
                think at that time the IPRAs were wrong - including the
                last option, request the arbiters to evaluate your
                request. You can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I
                could have received more if you would have been less
                strict (and assume that we have been less strict
                others), especially because you have no idea how strict
                the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this
                proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where this issue
                was discussed - however, you decided that the AP-WG is
                not worth of your effort and you did not voice any
                opinion.</div>
              <div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start an
                attack against me (the proposer) and against some others
                that you feel 'received more IPs from the RIPE NCC than
                you' before the run-out in 2012.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>[...]</div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div>Again, you are making false statement without
                        any evidence, in </div>
                      <div>reality, I have never done any business with
                        Elvis now and past.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>I don't know anything about any relation that
                    might be between you and </div>
                  <div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you
                    the IPs (approving </div>
                  <div>the requests).</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He
                actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' - while
                actually I was just strict, just as with all the other
                requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent at the NCC.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>and before that you said:</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
                were allocated to you by the same person that has
                initiated this proposal.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>only to then say:</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div> > Yes, a few years ago he approved your
                allocations and now he is helping you sell the IPs.</div>
              <div> > Obviously he only dreams about world peace and
                there is no conflict of interests here.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>You know, and have been aware of this information for
                years, that one single IPRA could not approve /16 or
                larger allocations. However, you started to attack me
                implying that I have helped Lu receive the allocations
                and that then I tried to help him sell them. Plus, you
                know (and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had
                forgotten) that no single IPRA could approve a /15 or
                larger allocation without a second IPRA's evaluation and
                management and senior management approval.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian.
                But I would advise you to take a step or two back and
                look at all the things you have wrongfully interpreted
                from others' mails. You can contact me directly or
                Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions about
                my activity at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about
                conflict of interests or all kind of conspiracy theories
                where there is none.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the
                past two days. </div>
              <div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Ciprian</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              <div>/elvis</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>------------------------------</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Message: 4</div>
              <div>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:56:16 +0000</div>
              <div>From: "Hannigan, Martin" <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marty@akamai.com">marty@akamai.com</a>></div>
              <div>To: Silvia Hagen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>></div>
              <div>Cc: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>"
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>></div>
              <div>Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks -
                please stop (i ask</div>
              <div> for the 3rd time)</div>
              <div>Message-ID: <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:E0A86D2C-902D-43DE-8754-42CF14983ED7@akamai.com">E0A86D2C-902D-43DE-8754-42CF14983ED7@akamai.com</a>></div>
              <div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>It would be great if the combatants can move the
                theatre of warfare operations to their personal
                mailboxes.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Best,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>-M<</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">
                <div>
                  <div>On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Silvia Hagen <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:silvia.hagen@sunny.ch">silvia.hagen@sunny.ch</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This thread is like a great piece of comedy,
                    thanks for entertainment</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Silvia</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----</div>
                  <div>Von: address-policy-wg [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
                    Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea</div>
                  <div>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16</div>
                  <div>An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a></div>
                  <div>Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks
                    - please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Hi Ciprian,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>so not that the policy is useless but it's
                      proposal was a mistake.</div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from
                    you and I already asked you to stop being rude,
                    before you started the thread below.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Even though I already responded to a message you
                    have sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice
                    what you are doing, you have continued to make false
                    accusations and wrongfully interpret what others
                    have said. </div>
                  <div>Curious though, all the wrong interpretations
                    were just to start attacks against me...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:</div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>Hi,</div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>[...]</div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div>
                          <div>Please provide evidence for following
                            claim, otherwise you are just </div>
                          <div>making accusation without any support
                            evidence.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>"He approved your request for hudreds of
                            thousands of IPs, even </div>
                          <div>approved this last-second allocation. "</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>And the reality is, Elvis has never on
                            the position to make final </div>
                          <div>decision about our allocation.</div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <div>You told us that. I can't know what happened
                        during that allocations. </div>
                      <div>I only was refering to what you told us, that
                        Elvis was the one that </div>
                      <div>approved your allocations. Maybe you know
                        what happens behind the </div>
                      <div>scene but that should also bring some
                        questions.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said
                    and used your wrong assumptions to start an attack
                    against me. I was under the impression that you are
                    better than this but it seems you are not better
                    than all the others that have been attacking me over
                    this policy proposal because their 'business' was
                    affected. I wonder what kind of business you have if
                    you publicly attack persons and companies relying on
                    your own false assumptions.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>What Lu said was that during the evaluation of
                    his requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict.
                    He, as well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen
                    me as a very strict person when I was working at the
                    RIPE NCC. That was only because I always thrive to
                    be very good at my job and I have always verified
                    (maybe too much) in depth all the documentation
                    received from LIRs. Just as you have received the
                    /28 IPv6 allocation (for your extremely large IPv6
                    deployment) some LIRs may have have received large
                    IPv4 allocations when these were justified.</div>
                  <div>If you are complaining that your request got
                    reduced from /13 to a /14, you should have
                    complained at that time, you should have used all
                    the tools you had if you think at that time the
                    IPRAs were wrong - including the last option,
                    request the arbiters to evaluate your request. You
                    can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could
                    have received more if you would have been less
                    strict (and assume that we have been less strict
                    others), especially because you have no idea how
                    strict the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to
                    this proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where
                    this issue was discussed - however, you decided that
                    the AP-WG is not worth of your effort and you did
                    not voice any opinion.</div>
                  <div>Instead, you waited until the last day to start
                    an attack against me (the proposer) and against some
                    others that you feel 'received more IPs from the
                    RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in 2012.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>[...]</div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div>
                          <div>Again, you are making false statement
                            without any evidence, in </div>
                          <div>reality, I have never done any business
                            with Elvis now and past.</div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <div>I don't know anything about any relation that
                        might be between you and </div>
                      <div>Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving
                        you the IPs (approving </div>
                      <div>the requests).</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs.
                    He actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' -
                    while actually I was just strict, just as with all
                    the other requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent
                    at the NCC.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>and before that you said:</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>It is very interesting to find out that the IPs
                      were allocated to you by the same person that has
                      initiated this proposal.</div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>only to then say:</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div>Yes, a few years ago he approved your
                        allocations and now he is helping you sell the
                        IPs.</div>
                      <div>Obviously he only dreams about world peace
                        and there is no conflict of interests here.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>You know, and have been aware of this information
                    for years, that one single IPRA could not approve
                    /16 or larger allocations. However, you started to
                    attack me implying that I have helped Lu receive the
                    allocations and that then I tried to help him sell
                    them. Plus, you know (and Andrea Cima also reminded
                    you in case you had forgotten) that no single IPRA
                    could approve a /15 or larger allocation without a
                    second IPRA's evaluation and management and senior
                    management approval.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I really do not know what happened to you,
                    Ciprian. But I would advise you to take a step or
                    two back and look at all the things you have
                    wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can
                    contact me directly or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if
                    you have any questions about my activity at the RIPE
                    NCC and stop talking about conflict of interests or
                    all kind of conspiracy theories where there is none.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>I await your apology for all the badmouthing over
                    the past two days. </div>
                  <div>Again, this was totally unexpected from you.</div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
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                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Ciprian</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>/elvis</div>
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