<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Carten, <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 17/04/2016 23:59, Carsten Schiefner ha scritto: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:57140725.7050201@schiefner.de" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Riccardo, On 15.04.2016 07:48, Riccardo Gori wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">with all respect I don't see a "remarkable success" in current last /8 policy. We are dealing with the same amount of space as September 2012 </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> so it works as designed me thinks.</pre> </blockquote> It depends on the point of view, we are discussing this exactly beacause everyone of us can have his point. RIR are supposed to act as a registry and distribute resources. How resources are distributed depends on community. This is exacly why RIR have to accept comments in PDP from non members and from everyone else in the world. What if just a mass of people come here and propose to adopt ARIN similar policy? Policy Development Process is: I would/think; You would/think; He would/think and finally: We do...shouldn't be like that? Resources are global you can't say ARIN was wrong because depleted faster entered and we are successfull just because we still have space. About IPv6 adoption sorry but the fact is that we are later than ARIN. Don't misunderstant please I am not in favor of depletion. <blockquote cite="mid:57140725.7050201@schiefner.de" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">that in the meanwhile has been abused in several ways </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Please define "abuse in several ways". You are also encouraged to suggest potential remedies per item.</pre> </blockquote> Several ways include repeated and reiterated procedures like these: - cases of LIRs requested and obtained (before 09/2012 and last /8 policy) resources with fake network plans (now you don't need any network plan) - in the past (I mean before 09/2012 and last /8 policy) some organizations running multiple LIR used it to obtaion space as big as /16 on the same day in two different LIRs - in Last /8 multiple LIRs used to obtain resources and sell resources to the market preocess reiterated and (stopped by 2015-01) - open and closing LIR to stockpile resources (stopped by 2015-01) Please note that new allocation rate of /22 from 185/8 reamins unchanged due to new LIR signin up at the same rate or faster. Our policy is suppose to reduce new LIR sign up rate allowing current new entrants to not incentive their customers to sign up as a new LIR and waste a /22 and offer them just the space they need. <blockquote cite="mid:57140725.7050201@schiefner.de" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">and there are really no incentives to IPv6 adoption. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> How about: making your Internet outfit future-poof? Sounds pretty convincing to me.</pre> </blockquote> Carten, as proposers, we didn't pretend to have "the solution". The proposal contains something we believe in and here we tried to push some incentive to adopt IPv6 for smaller LIRs as you can understand from the text. Please read carefully the BOARD consideratios in 2014-04 that removed the only IPv6 requisite on current policy <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2014-04">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2014-04</a> Now you can get your IPv6 t-shirt as noticed by Radu. About future proof internet: it's easy to say that nothing is future proof but human mind is awsome and when we get in trouble in most cases we were able to find a way out. If it were up to me I would approve NAT in IPv6 and I would use those famouse unusable 16 /8 (for future use <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: -webkit-center; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none;">240/8 - 255/8) but this is out of topic here, thank you for asking my point anyway. kind regards Riccardo <blockquote cite="mid:57140725.7050201@schiefner.de" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Best, -C. </pre> </blockquote> <div class="moz-signature">-- <pre>Ing. 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