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Hi Sander, Hi Peter,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 09/05/2016 14:50, Sander Steffann ha
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<pre wrap="">Hi Peter,
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<pre wrap="">My main objection to this proposal is simple: It depletes the available
pool for _new_ participants faster. I strongly believe any new actor
should be able to go from zero to non-zero with the addresses available
from RIPE. For an actor with non-zero addresses to get more addresses,
there is a secondary market.
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Indeed. It all comes down to "the needs of those in the next few years with no IPv4 addresses" vs "those today who have only one /22".</pre>
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What about those holding large space and changed the policy to be
triggered when reaced a last /8 and not before?<br>
Looks like eating the chocolate top cover of the cake and leave the
dry part to the others. Here's your crumbs we are very respective.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Since that is the base of my objection, I do not see any way that a
middle ground can be met. Based on my understanding of the other
objections, I believe this is held by at least a few others from the
objection side.
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Well, to make a useful discussion possible I think it's important to look at the timescales. A policy that changes expected depletion from e.g. 100 years to 90 years might not be a problem, but other timescales will definitely be a problem.</pre>
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I think the timescale I have heard that people would find acceptable is *at least* 5 to 10 years. If you look at the minutes of RIPE 70 (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/ap/minutes/ripe-70">https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/ap/minutes/ripe-70</a>) you'll see a statement from RIPE NCC when discussing this policy proposal that "the RIPE NCC’s IPv4 pool was expected to last for around five years.".
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<pre wrap="">I appreciate the effort put into this proposal, but I do not think any
solution can be proposed.
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The stated expected timescale already seems to be around the bare minimum lifetime that is accepted, and much less than what many people would like. I therefore have to agree that any proposal that shortens that lifetime even further will very probably not get consensus.
Someone would need to come up with a radical new idea to get out of the current deadlock. Which is why I urge all new participants in this discussion to read the mailing list archives so they can get the full current picture before they propose a solution.
Cheers,
Sander
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This policy is a real way to slow down a little bit the allocation
rate for the reasons above stated.<br>
In total there are about 13700 LIRs about 9.05 millions addresses of
185/8 have been allocated since 2012<br>
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Otherwise is possible to change completly the way the unused space
is handled. Why don't place a pay per use?<br>
I think we would see a lot of transfert take place and allocation
rate will magically slow down<br>
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regards<br>
Riccardo<br>
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