<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Roger, thank you for your questions. I try to answer below <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 21/05/2016 09:45, Roger Jørgensen ha scritto: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:CAKFn1SHNzHxrRgSsDLVK=We4V4S7AOLXLPaRcPCGPaJhDWC9Fw@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Gert Doering <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gert@space.net"><gert@space.net></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Dear Working Group, On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 03:02:43PM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">The Discussion Period for the proposal 2015-05, "Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision" has been extended until 13 June 2016. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> this has been decided by proposers and WG chairs based on your discussion and the upcoming AP meeting at RIPE72 (next wednesday) - keep the proposal active until after the discussion there (see below), then decide how to proceed. >From the discussion it was very clear that there is no consensus today to go ahead - without going into detail, it's clear that there are two strong factions, one that wants to preserve the remaining /22s for "as long as possible", while the other one wants to ease the pain for those LIRs that have too little IPv4 today, willing to incur earlier total run-out as a consequence. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Since we've supposed to work toward something that can gain consensus I've got a few questions for the authors, and those supporting 2015-05. So far all I've heard, I might have missed something, is that there is a need for more addresses. None have said why, or where there is a need. Why do you need more addresses and for what?</pre> </blockquote> In my opinion there's a trend change from what happened years before. Standing on current allocation rate and LIRs sign up rate we can see there's general trend in the internet growth. Internet grew a lot up to 2000-2002 then the trend was pretty the same up to few year ago. I think it's mainly due to the fact that in many countries become an "operator" is easier than before As example in Italy we had many restrictions that made things very difficoult without a good capital fund behind. Nowadays things are easier and many new small operators are coming to the market. The WISP market grew a lot in these years look at You can look at Ubiquity or Candium Networks sells. In Italy is the fiber time and carry and transport fiber optics is easier than before. So, in my opinion that's why we are registering such big growth trend in LIR sign ups. In the meanwhile Last /8 allocation policy in showing out its limits that created some competitive problems to new entrants. And at the same time we (as community) and RIPE NCC as our point of coordination weren't able to provide a reable solution to help IPv6 adoption. Small operators has less capitals, rsources and experience but the policy asked them to act before the big ones. 2015-05 trys to address competivive disvantage of new entrants and small operators while reminding everyone there's only a solution: IPv6. If you try to adopt it you may find your way out of the problem. The clear suspect I have is that there are too many interest to keep calm about IPv6 to save market value of IPv4 as long as possibile. <blockquote cite="mid:CAKFn1SHNzHxrRgSsDLVK=We4V4S7AOLXLPaRcPCGPaJhDWC9Fw@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Be specific, is it for having more address for the end-users? Datacenter? Services? Infrastructure? IPv6-to-IPv4 services? CGN? Proxyes? </pre> </blockquote> It's happening: end customers of new operators (read as new LIRs) are requesting new services such as datacenters or multihoming and IPv6 deployment in the meanwhile. Those are the tipical request that I reiceve. For example to multihome and bgp a customer I need a /24 What if I have no address space to provide? I can ask my customer to sign up and he will get a /22 automatically wasting a 3 x /24 I think in many cases this is why we are registering such new sign up growth trends. I already said in past emails that when I started our business of fiber optic provider the carrier said to us "ask us for transport and access but not for addresses. sign up and get yours" This is reflecting in all the chain from top to bottom. This could be a point where to act. If we turn the request re-introducing justification and we turn minimum request to a /24 we can address this kind of problem while slowing down LIRs sign up rate to obtain a /23 or /24 to address this kind of requests <blockquote cite="mid:CAKFn1SHNzHxrRgSsDLVK=We4V4S7AOLXLPaRcPCGPaJhDWC9Fw@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> hope this help in understand small player needings regards Riccardo <div class="moz-signature">-- <pre>Ing. Riccardo Gori e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rgori@wirem.net">rgori@wirem.net</a> Mobile: +39 339 8925947 Mobile: +34 602 009 437 Profile: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://it.linkedin.com/in/riccardo-gori-74201943">https://it.linkedin.com/in/riccardo-gori-74201943</a> </pre> <img src="cid:part1.58F4C1FC.0513596E@wirem.net" width="200"> <pre>WIREM Fiber Revolution Net-IT s.r.l. 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