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    Hi Erik,<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/16 1:45 AM, Erik Bais wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
            Elvis,� <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
            oppose to your word choice that we are trying to sneak
            something in, with this policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
            stated during the discussion at the AP, a change to the
            holdership will to fall under the same restrictions as the
            transfers currently, that was pointed out AND discussed
            since version 1. </span></p>
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    that was my mistake, I was sure I had pointed it out in an older
    e-mail.. can't find it so it probably never made it to the list and
    was in draft status forever :)<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
            a company is currently doing a M&A after that particular
            company has become a (new) LIR since 6 months, it means it
            needs to keep the LIR open for another 18 months.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For
            any M&A, the cost for a membership fee of 18 months will
            not be a deal breaker for an actual business take-over �
            unless one is trying to game the system.� </span></p>
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    well, this is what I was opposing to. However, after further
    discussions offline, I no longer think this is quite such a bad
    idea. So, I no longer oppose.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To
            give an indication,� the damage of a diner with 7 people at
            the MASH Penthouse at the RIPE72 venue can be more expensive
            ...� <br>
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    you never invited me there... I would've wanted to see the proof.<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks
            for the feedback. </span></p>
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    so, +1 to the proposal.<br>
    <br>
    cheers,<br>
    elvis<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Erik
            Bais <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                address-policy-wg
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Elvis
                Daniel Velea<br>
                <b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 25 mei 2016 10:28<br>
                <b>Aan:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [address-policy-wg] opposition to
                2015-04<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dears,<br>
          <br>
          as mentioned during the policy session, I am opposing to this
          (version of) the policy proposal.<br>
          <br>
          While I was sure that I did voice this concern over the
          mailing list, I can not find the e-mail now. But I am sure I
          did voice this concern and the opposition at previous RIPE
          Meeting(s).<br>
          As long as this proposal adds the 2 years holding period of
          scarce resources moved through M&As (which are 'regulated'
          through a RIPE NCC procedure) I will oppose to it. <br>
          <br>
          I am not going to go into examples wars of why some company
          would want to transfer/move/merge/etc.. resources within a 2
          years period. While I agree that transfers should have a
          holding (or call it anti-flip) period and I even proposed
          2015-01 (which is now part of policy), I do not agree that we
          should include M&As in the same bucket.<br>
          <br>
          If a new version of this policy proposal would be only about
          transfers of IP addresses, and not try to sneak in M&As
          into the same document, I would agree with it.<br>
          <br>
          my 2 cents,<br>
          elvis<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 5/25/16 9:52 AM, Remco van Mook wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <pre><o:p>�</o:p></pre>
          <pre>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><o:p>�</o:p></pre>
          <pre>as just mentioned during the address policy session, I'm withdrawing my objection to 2015-04. While I do think a discussion about policy structure still needs to be held, I don't think it should hold up this proposal any longer. This can be fixed after adoption - as long as we're aware.<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><o:p>�</o:p></pre>
          <pre>I do maintain my suggestion to put references in place where chapters about transfers are removed from other sections of policy.<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><o:p>�</o:p></pre>
          <pre>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre><o:p>�</o:p></pre>
          <pre>Remco<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                  <h1 style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A9BD7">Elvis
                      Daniel Velea<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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                      Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></span></h2>
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                    </span><span
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