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Hi Aleksey,
<div>I disagree with your interpretation. </div>
<div>NCC is in the right here, you’ve been correctly charged as everyone else. <br>
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On 18 Dec 2018, at 09:38, Aleksey Bulgakov <<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Erik,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Let me disagree with you.</div>
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<div dir="auto">1. If you open account e.g. in January 2019, you may merge accounts in January 2021 only and you will pay for 2019, 2020 and 2021 years + for the new SSA. Total price is 6200 euro. You can open account in the 4th quarter of 2018. In this case
the total price is 2000 + 2*1400 + 350 = 5150 (But the NCC made fees for whole year earlier even if you start in November).</div>
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<div dir="auto">2. I didn't see discussions about this restrictions. I received it on the 29th of October 2018 when it was already implemented.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So then the NCC will say that it's non-commercial organization.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">вт, 18 дек. 2018 г., 12:06 Erik Bais <a href="mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com">
ebais@a2b-internet.com</a>:<br>
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Aleksey, <br>
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You do as if this was a surprise, but this is clearly documented and discussed. And you have been on the mailinglist for long enough to know that up front as well.
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If you have 3 LIR accounts this year, and want to put the resources in a single LIR, you MUST wait for 2 years before you can do so.
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All LIR accounts that are in either entity should be paid in FULL for the hole year once you start transferring resources.
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This means you pay per LIR : <br>
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2000 euro setup fee. <br>
1400 euro first year<br>
1400 euro second year <br>
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Times 3 ... <br>
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After that, you can request for a transfer of the resources in to a single account and close the 2 other LIR's.
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After which, you have a single LIR account with 3 resources in it and a future cost of 1400 euro per year.
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What you want to do has nothing to do with a Policy violation ... the policy is clear, RIPE NCC is executing the policy as documented.
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Erik Bais<br>
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On 17/12/2018, 19:22, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Aleksey Bulgakov" <<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:aleksbulgakov@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">aleksbulgakov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi.<br>
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Regarding our situation. We have 3 accounts opened this year (for<br>
different legal entities). We provided the oficial government<br>
documents that confirm M&A procedure. But the NCC doesn't want to<br>
merge 2 accounts (of closed organizations) into the 1st account due to<br>
it is necessary to convert such accounts into additional account of<br>
receiving party, regarding<br>
<a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36</a>.<br>
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But there is restriction to transfer the resources during 24 month<br>
between accounts of the same member. So we should pay for additional 2<br>
years fees.<br>
пн, 17 дек. 2018 г. в 21:12, Jens Ott - Opteamax GmbH <<a href="mailto:ripe@opteamax.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ripe@opteamax.de</a>>:<br>
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> > Which is kind of the point. The 24 month restriction holds, unless<br>
> > one LIR gets bought/merged, and the latter needs to be proved by<br>
> > official documents.<br>
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> This is also not correct! At least from my experience, the restriction<br>
> also persists on being bought!<br>
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> The difference between being bought and merged is, at least from<br>
> German legal point of view, that in a merge (=Verschmelzung) the $OLD<br>
> company does not exist any longer but becomes fully integrated into<br>
> $NEW company, while in buying a company, $OLD stays it's own legal entit<br>
> y.<br>
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> From my experience ONLY A MERGE IS accepted by RIPE to not apply<br>
> 24month restriction, while being bought does not shorten this restrictio<br>
> n.<br>
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> BR<br>
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> --<br>
> Jens Ott<br>
> Geschäftsführer<br>
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> Opteamax GmbH<br>
><br>
> Simrockstr. 4b<br>
> 53619 Rheinbreitbach<br>
><br>
> Tel.: +49 2224 969500<br>
> Fax: +49 2224 97691059<br>
> Email: <a href="mailto:jo@opteamax.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jo@opteamax.de</a><br>
><br>
> HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur<br>
> Geschäftsführer: Jens Ott<br>
> Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Alexey Bulgakov<br>
Tel.: +7 (926)690-87-29<br>
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