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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jordi,<br>
      <br>
      you're mixing things up. This is not about 2016-04, which was
      approved long time ago. This is about ripe-707 [1], titled "IPv6
      Address Allocation and Assignment Policy" — the current policy in
      question you want to be modified.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      -kai<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-707#assign">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-707#assign</a><br>
      <br>
      Am 17.01.2019 um 20:34 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="ES-TRAD">Hi Kai,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">You’re missing that 2016-04 is for the
            clarification of IPv6 PI, not PA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-04">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-04</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">De: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">address-policy-wg
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net"><address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net></a> en nombre de
              Kai 'wusel' Siering <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wusel+ml@uu.org"><wusel+ml@uu.org></a><br>
              <b>Organización: </b>Unseen University, Department of
              Magic Mails<br>
              <b>Fecha: </b>jueves, 17 de enero de 2019, 20:16<br>
              <b>Para: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net"><address-policy-wg@ripe.net></a><br>
              <b>Asunto: </b>Re: [address-policy-wg] suggestions from
              the list about IPv6 sub-assignment clarification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 17.01.2019
            15:37, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <pre style="margin-left:35.4pt">We need to consider as well, as I depicted already before, that if you have a physical sever, you probably need also multiple addresses for that server, that's why, I think the policy should allow that (this is clearly now allowed now).<o:p></o:p></pre>
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          Let's consult ripe-707:<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <h3 style="margin-left:35.4pt">2.6. Assign<o:p></o:p></h3>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">To “assign” means to delegate
            address space to an ISP or End User for specific use within
            the Internet infrastructure they operate. Assignments must
            only be made for specific purposes documented by specific
            organisations and are not to be sub-assigned to other
            parties.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Providing another entity with
            separate addresses (not prefixes) from a subnet used on a
            link operated by the assignment holder is not considered a
            sub-assignment. This includes for example letting visitors
            connect to the assignment holder's network, connecting a
            server or appliance to an assignment holder's network and
            setting up point-to-point links with 3rd parties.<o:p></o:p></p>
        </blockquote>
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          <h3 style="margin-left:35.4pt">2.9. End Site<o:p></o:p></h3>
          <p style="margin-left:35.4pt">An End Site is defined as an End
            User (subscriber) who has a business or legal relationship
            (same or associated entities) with a service provider that
            involves:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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            service provider assigning address space to the End User<o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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            service provider providing transit service for the End User
            to other sites<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
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                style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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            service provider carrying the End User's traffic<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
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                style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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            service provider advertising an aggregate prefix route that
            contains the End User's assignment<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
          By these definitions, only an IR ("2.1. Internet Registry
          (IR)")  can "assign" allocated address space to non-IRs, i. e.
          ISPs or End Users, in the context of ripe-707.<br>
          The term "ISP" is not wll defined within ripe-707 except for
          "LIRs are generally ISPs whose customers are primarily End
          Users and possibly other ISPs" in "2.4. Local Internet
          Registry (LIR)". The graph in "2. Definitions" suggests that
          ISPs are the entities that are actually creating the Internet,
          whereas (L)IRs are involved in distributing IP space only.
          Since, following 2.6., only an (I)SP _that also is an (L)IR_
          could, acting in it's (L)IR role, "assign" address space, 2.9.
          should therefore receive a friendly "s/service provider/ISP/g"
          and have the first bullet point removed.<br>
          <br>
          On the other hand, 2.6. in it's current form – except for the
          "separate addresses (not prefixes)" issue, as any singke
          address IS technically also a /128 prefix – seems rather clear
          to me: if it's for the documented "specific use within the
          Internet infrastructure they operate", it's fine. Otherwise, a
          separate assignment is needed for either a new specific use
          _or a different End User_, so the ISP or End User (or the ISP
          for it's End User) will have to request that from an (L)IR
          (which it may be itself, if the ISP or End User is an LIR as
          well).<br>
          <br>
          Thus, if you need "multiple addresses" for your "physical
          server" and you received an assignment for your infrastructure
          including your server(s), I cannot see a conflict with
          ripe-707. If you want to add a dedicated server for a customer
          of yours, I'd expect you to get a new (non-PI) prefix (i. e.
          no less than a /64 as per 5.4.1.) for this different End User
          from your LIR of choice (or have that End User apply for a /48
          PIv6 via your cooperative LIR).<br>
          <br>
          Regards,<br>
          -kai<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
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