<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp7bad87e4yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div></div> <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">HI Erik</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Legacy space is a pain and should be normalised at every opportunity. Because of the market this has become a huge financial asset. If the holders want to cash it in, once it is sold it should lose this special, untouchable status. The transfer policies are their means to sell it. These policies should insist on sold legacy space being normalised and subject to all RIR policies.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">cheers</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">denis</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> </div></div><div id="ydpd148ca26yahoo_quoted_3941829649" class="ydpd148ca26yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"><div><div id="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684"><div class="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684WordSection1"> And on point : <ul style="margin-top:0cm;" type="disc"><li class="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">5.7.4.3 Incoming transferred legacy resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.]</li></ul> If you would remove the word incoming, it would provide a more bi-directional way of looking at it, from an AFRINIC perspective. And still leave it to the receiving RIR to apply their own Legacy ‘policy’ Regards, Erik Bais Co-chair of AP-WG <a shape="rect" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-682</a> - RIPE Transfer policy ( including intra and inter-rir transfers ) <a shape="rect" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-639" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-639</a> - RIPE NCC Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders ( aka the RIPE Legacy services policy ) <a shape="rect" href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders</a> ( Services provided based on the type of contractual agreement with the RIPE NCC ) <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"> <div class="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqt4362490222" id="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqtfd60569">From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com> Date: Friday 16 October 2020 at 13:35 To: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Cc: Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com> Subject: [address-policy-wg] Policy Reciprocity </div></div><div class="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqt4362490222" id="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqtfd63563"> <div> </div> <div> Hello, I am a co-author of the Resource Transfer Policy, which is the inter-RIR transfer proposal that has just reached consensus within Afrinic, and we are reaching out to you so as to inquire about its reciprocity with RIPE. Your assessment and analysis about this matter would highly be appreciated. Please find below the proposal for your reference. [ </div> <div> </div> <div> Resource Transfer Policy Authors: Anthony Ubah & Taiwo Oyewande Submission date: 21/09/2020 Version: 2.0 Amends: CPM 5.7 1. Summary of the problem being addressed by this proposal The current policy fails to support a two-way Inter-RIR policy, thereby hindering smooth business operation, development, and growth in the region. This proposal aims to establish an efficient and business-friendly mechanism to allow number resources to be transferred from/to other regions. This proposal outlines a model in which AFRINIC can freely transfer number resources to/from other regions, i.e. RIPE NCC, APNIC, ARIN and LACNIC. This includes both IPv4 addresses and AS numbers. 2. Summary of how this proposal addresses the problem With the exhaustion of IPv4, several regions have adopted a transfer policy to accommodate the shortage of resources. Number resources are allowed to transfer within the region itself, as well as with other regions. Such practice is effective and necessary when we are facing a shortage of resources. This helps facilitate business operations while reducing prices. Such Inter-RIR transfer, however, is not yet established in AFRINIC. This hinders business operation and development within the African region. The current proposal aims to establish an efficient and business-friendly mechanism to allow number resources to be transferred from/to other regions. Before moving to illustrate how this new mechanism works, let’s take a quick look at the situation of the current Consolidated Policy Manual: In Consolidated Policy Manual updated on 22 Feb 2019, only “IPv4 resources transfer within the AFRINIC region” is mentioned. Regarding resource transfer to other regions, only the following is mentioned: 5.5.1.1.3 If an LIR plans to exchange or transfer address space, it needs to contact AFRINIC so that the changes are properly registered. The LIR remains responsible for all the allocations registered in the AFRINIC database until they have been transferred to another LIR or returned to AFRINIC. LIR's must ensure that all policies are applied. The lack of a clear guideline of resource transfer is detrimental to the continent’s development. It makes business operation difficult and it also hinders new business from establishing in the region. Also, as Inter RIR policy is enforced in other regions, it is important that AFRINIC keeps up with other RIRs to ensure smooth operation and coordination. 3. Proposal CPM 5.7 will be modified by this proposal as follows: 5.7 IPv4 Resources resource transfer Like the other Regional Internet Registries, AFRINIC will soon exhaust its IPv4 pool. In order to meet the needs of late resource requestors, a transfer policy for IPv4 resources within and outside the region is needed. The goal of this policy is to define conditions under which transfers must occur. The policy solves the issue of an African organization needing IPv4 number resources after the exhaustion of the AFRINIC IPv4 pool or when AFRINIC can no longer satisfy the needs of such an organization. 5.7.1 Summary of the policy This policy applies to any transfer request raised by a resource holder for resource transfer to and from the AFRINIC region. 5.7.2 IPv4 resources to be transferred - must be from an existing AFRINIC or any RIR member's account or from a Legacy Resource Holder. 5.7.3. Conditions on the source of the transfer 5.7.3.1 The source must be the current and rightful holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR , and shall not be involved in any disputes as to those resources' status. 5.7.3.2 Source entities are not eligible to receive any further IPv4 allocations or assignments from AFRINIC for a period of twelve (12) months after a transfer is approved. Incoming transferred resource cannot be transferred again for a period of twelve(12) months. 5.7.3.3 There is no upper limit regarding the amount of transfer, allocation and assignment of IPv4 number resources a source entity can receive as long as the transfer request is carried out under a mutual agreement between the source and the recipient. 5.7.4. Conditions on the recipient of the transfer 5.7.4.1 A transfer from another RIR to AFRINIC requires a need-based evaluation. AFRINIC must approve the recipient's need for the IPv4 number resources. In order for an organization to qualify for receiving a transfer, it must first go through the process of justifying its IPv4 resource needs before AFRINIC. That is to say, the organization must justify and demonstrate before AFRINIC its initial/additional allocation/assignment usage, as applicable, according to the policies in force. A transfer from AFRINIC to another RIR must follow the relevant policies. 5.7.4.2 The recipient must be an AFRINIC or any RIR member, legacy holders in any region </div> <div> 5.7.4.3 Incoming transferred legacy resources will still be regarded as legacy resources.] We are looking forward to hearing from you. Regards, Taiwo O </div> </div></div><div class="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqt4362490222" id="ydpd148ca26yiv4161356684yqtfd10885"> </div></div></div> </div> </div></body></html>