<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Personally, I would suggest to increase the 2-years-period if the resulting merged LIR contains prefixes from 2 merged LIRs or more</div><div class="">Example:</div><div class="">A (has a /24) and B (has one historical /22 and another /22 from a previous merger) wants to merge: they would need to wait 3 years.</div><div class="">Next time, It would be 4 years, etc…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, if several mergers with the same LIR are requested, I honestly don’t recall if this is allowed, but it should not: one merge per LIR per year.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That should block serial-mergers, but not regular small LIRs with a real network activity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>There are probably loop-holes in my idea, or it’s perhaps too complex to implement.<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> <div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.</i></div></div></span></font></div></span></font></div></div></div> </div> <div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Le 8 déc. 2021 à 08:03, Arash Naderpour <<a href="mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com" class="">arash_mpc@parsun.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">>My suggestion would be along the lines what was proposed on the APWG<br class="">>meeting already - earmark these /24s as non-transferrable, ever.<br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't think it is a good idea to split the IPv4 addresses into different types, transferable and non-transferrable. it puts those newcomers in a disadvantageous position compared to the older members, it is not fair and doesn't fix anything in long term.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Arash </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 1:56 AM Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" class="">gert@space.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br class=""> <br class=""> On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 02:29:15PM +0000, Erik Bais wrote:<br class=""> > As WG chairs we would like to see the position of the WG on the topic and what could be seen as a possible solution. <br class=""> <br class=""> As a member of the WG, I do share the sentiment that the intent of the<br class=""> "IPv4 runout" policies have been "ensure that late comers to the game<br class=""> can have a bit of IPv4 space, to number their IPv6 translators", and<br class=""> not "grab some space for free, and sell it for more money elsewhere".<br class=""> <br class=""> I do not think this can be fixed on the AGM level ("one legal entity<br class=""> can only have one LIR account") - we've been there, in the rush to /22s,<br class=""> and all it does it "make people hide behind shell companies", so in<br class=""> the end, the address space goes out anyway, but registry quality suffers.<br class=""> <br class=""> Trying to make the NCC require even more paperwork isn't going to stop<br class=""> those that want to game the system, but will impact everyone else by<br class=""> making the NCC more annoying to deal with.<br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> My suggestion would be along the lines what was proposed on the APWG<br class=""> meeting already - earmark these /24s as non-transferrable, ever.<br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> Consequences:<br class=""> <br class=""> - there is no more financial incentive to "get one cheap, sell it expensive"<br class=""> <br class=""> - if you need space to run your business, this is exactly what it is<br class=""> there for - you can still sell your business (with the /24), you<br class=""> just need to keep the LIR account. But that's as with other <br class=""> business assets.<br class=""> <br class=""> - if you want to merge multiple LIR accounts, all having their own<br class=""> /24 - then you need to keep around these accounts, or return some<br class=""> of the /24s.<br class=""> - corrolary: if you use these /24s to number your IPv6 translators,<br class=""> then renumbering this translator into "your other /24" is actually<br class=""> not very hard. <br class=""> - corrolary2: If you use the /24s to directly number your customers,<br class=""> you missed the boat already (wearing my RIPE unicorn t-shirt today).<br class=""> <br class=""> Gert Doering<br class=""> -- NetMaster<br class=""> -- <br class=""> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br class=""> <br class=""> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer<br class=""> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. 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