[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion
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Tobias Knecht
tk at abusix.com
Tue Feb 23 12:39:50 CET 2021
Hi Cynthia No worries. All good. Thanks, Tobias Tobias Knecht Founder & CEO T. +49 170 455 98 45 abusix.com <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCaPgfev0DqYl37D4m9Ee4vsbDzR0i3-_vR79jccowDesvdhqrvzXzi6k_yA1omSOmnzd-c_2CqBfYJjJFgV9BQOpBRSRjC8wMv-fT3nwGx3tkMlHQ6jWt4ciVIkA_II6> Book a meeting <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWvzSzogpcTfxgYqITma2NzHMq5pXRQAYjPHEkBYpwTr5FBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> [image: My Logo] <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWkBl_vB1ZA4WrZhHQQ6slR_5b_FnETHpRTKihQLpXLRkFBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWuwTIYoZ5mdTWmhqltOyd8WxVKbCGLLoqGos1EesYhP7> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWmVS4sTjl1cJ51NN-gNCB_rcu1jgPRgfsr52W-kkb52KhFdCjGAFnnZN_nkWEHAE7w==> CONFIDENTIALITY This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:46 AM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote: > Hi Tobias, > > I am very sorry, I messed up and I really shouldn't have come to the > conclusion of it for sure being marketing that quickly. > I will remember this for any potential future similar scenarios to not > repeat it. > > -Cynthia > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:19 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote: > >> Cynthia, >> >> If you got the impression of me trying to sell you something, I >> apologize. >> >> My intention was to help you answer your genuine question and give you my >> experience on how dozens of Abuse Desk Operators handle this day in, day >> out. >> Those real-world best practices differ fundamentally from what some >> Security Researchers and some Anti Abuse Advocates would love to see >> implemented real-world best practices. >> >> Once again, if this was hitting the wrong buttons I apologize, this was >> not my intention. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tobias >> >> -- >> >> >> Tobias Knecht >> >> Founder & CEO >> >> >> >> T. >> >> +49 170 455 98 45 >> >> abusix.com >> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCaPgfev0DqYl37D4m9Ee4vsbDzR0i3-_vR79jccowDesvdhqrvzXzi6k_yA1omSOmnzd-c_2CqBfYJjJFgV9BQOpBRSRjC8wMv-fT3nwGx3tkMlHQ6jWt4ciVIkA_II6> >> >> Book a meeting >> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWvzSzogpcTfxgYqITma2NzHMq5pXRQAYjPHEkBYpwTr5FBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >> >> >> >> [image: My Logo] >> >> >> >> >> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWkBl_vB1ZA4WrZhHQQ6slR_5b_FnETHpRTKihQLpXLRkFBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >> >> >> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWuwTIYoZ5mdTWmhqltOyd8WxVKbCGLLoqGos1EesYhP7> >> >> >> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWmVS4sTjl1cJ51NN-gNCB_rcu1jgPRgfsr52W-kkb52KhFdCjGAFnnZN_nkWEHAE7w==> >> >> >> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY This email and any attachments are confidential and may >> also be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not >> the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not >> disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store >> or copy the information in any medium. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:10 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> (intro) >>> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his >>> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I >>> said on a mailing list. >>> >>> (mainly towards Tobias) >>> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me >>> services is bad enough. >>> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as >>> a selling point is much worse. >>> >>> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working >>> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all. >>> >>> also this: >>> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >>> >>> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but >>> yeah it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because >>> it is bad. >>> >>> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs) >>> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if >>> they abuse their position to sell their services. >>> >>> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but >>> idk why this would be the first time. >>> >>> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me >>> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying >>> I am not interested). >>> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the >>> db-wg. >>> >>> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it >>> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair, >>> it didn't appear like it was a sales email. >>> >>> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be >>> held private. >>> >>> -Cynthia >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cynthia, >>>> >>>> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and >>>> also Founder and CEO of Abusix. >>>> >>>> >>>> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >>>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >>>> >>>> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size >>>> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on. >>>> >>>> Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you >>>> about how our clients handle those things. >>>> >>>> Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar: >>>> https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min >>>> >>>> Thanks and stay safe. >>>> >>>> Tobias >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Tobias Knecht >>>> >>>> Founder & CEO >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> T. >>>> >>>> +49 170 455 98 45 >>>> >>>> abusix.com >>>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCaPgfev0DqYl37D4m9Ee4vsbDzR0i3-_vR79jccowDesvdhqrvzXzi6k_yA1omSOmnzd-c_2CqBfYJjJFgV9BQOpBRSRjC8wMv-fT3nwGx3tkMlHQ6jWt4ciVIkA_II6> >>>> >>>> Book a meeting >>>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWvzSzogpcTfxgYqITma2NzHMq5pXRQAYjPHEkBYpwTr5FBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: My Logo] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWkBl_vB1ZA4WrZhHQQ6slR_5b_FnETHpRTKihQLpXLRkFBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWuwTIYoZ5mdTWmhqltOyd8WxVKbCGLLoqGos1EesYhP7> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWmVS4sTjl1cJ51NN-gNCB_rcu1jgPRgfsr52W-kkb52KhFdCjGAFnnZN_nkWEHAE7w==> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CONFIDENTIALITY This email and any attachments are confidential and may >>>> also be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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