<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I like the idea. I would have preffered a cross registry/RIR solution but as you said, it has been many months (I actually raised the issue 2 RIPE meetings ago - in London) but nothing visible has been done to fix this problem.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">+1 from me.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">cheers,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">elvis<br><br>Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.</div><div><br>On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:47, "<a href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a>" <<a href="mailto:ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk">ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6274">HI all<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6332"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6334">I am going to have one last go at solving this problem. I challenge anyone/everyone to tell me why this is such a stupid idea, technically impossible to do, won't solve any of the issues partially or fully. Then I can shut up about it and go away. If you can't condemn the idea then support it. Lets fix this issue once and for all, stop this endless discussion about rogue ROUTE objects and get on with life.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6411" dir="ltr"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6338">So here is my 4 step proposal that I believe could be implemented within a month. If we implemented this you can be sure that all ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database were created with the knowledge and approval of the related resource holders. I believe that is the desired goal.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6340"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6342">STEP 1<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6344"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6346">Any ROUTE object submitted for creation in the RIPE Database involving an out of region resource (address space and/or ASN) where that out of region resource does not exist in the authoritative RIR database (has not been allocated or assigned), reject the creation.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6348"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6350">The RIPE NCC mirrors the operational data from all the other 4 RIRs. These mirrors are updated daily as well as the RIRs daily stats. It is easy to determine if a resource is registered in the authoritative database.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6352"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6354">STEP 2<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6356"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6358">For those ROUTE objects from STEP 1 where the out of region resource does exist, hold the object creation as pending. The mechanism for doing this already exists in the RIPE Database software as it is used for multiple authentications.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6360"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6362">Lookup the out of region resource(s) in the authoritative database(s) and find the contacts for that resource. Send a notification to those contacts informing them of the pending ROUTE object creation in the RIPE Database. The notification mechanism already exists in the RIPE Database software. If they don't approve, do nothing and the creation request will time out after a week and the object will not be created. If they do approve, respond in some way (many technical options for doing this that the RIPE NCC can choose from). If appropriate approval(s) are received within a week, create the ROUTE object.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6364"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6366">STEP 3<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6368"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6370">On a daily basis, for each ROUTE object in the RIPE Database that relates to an out of region resource, check for the continued existence of that resource in the appropriate RIR database. If it no longer exists, delete the ROUTE object from the RIPE Database.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6372"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6374">STEP 4<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6376"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6378">This is a one off cleanup of existing ROUTE objects. For all ROUTE objects currently in the RIPE Database that relate to an out of region, existing resource, send the appropriate notifications. For any that no response is received within a week, delete the ROUTE object from the RIPE Database.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6380"><br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6382">cheers<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1446748657520_6384">denis<br></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>