<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63204"><span>Hi Job</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63245"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63257" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63256">Interesting but I don't think this is for Joe Public who receives spam or phishing emails and wants to complain about them. I can't see your average non techie internet user downloading software to make a complaint.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63205" class="qtdSeparateBR"><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>denis<br></div><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63211" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63210" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63209" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63208" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63207" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63206" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Job Snijders <job@ntt.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> denis <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>; Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie>; andre@ox.co.za; RIPE DB WG <db-wg@ripe.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 7 March 2016, 21:19<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [db-wg] [anti-abuse-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1457343025689_63269" class="y_msg_container"><br>On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 09:17:00PM +0100, denis wrote:<div class="yqt2300526674" id="yqtfd37002"><br clear="none">> On 07/03/2016 16:49, Randy Bush wrote:<br clear="none">> >>In the absence of an abuse contact mailbox attached to address<br clear="none">> >>registration data, can you make some constructive suggestions about<br clear="none">> >>how a recipient of internet abuse can get in contact with the people<br clear="none">> >>who manage the address block and who, by implication, are likely to<br clear="none">> >>have some form of contractual relationship with whoever is instigating<br clear="none">> >>the abuse?<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> >i am not against having an abuse-c: field. i am against making it<br clear="none">> >mandatory. all that'll get us is black holes.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> What you are really saying here is that you are willing to accept that many<br clear="none">> network managers don't want to handle abuse complaints. So make it optional<br clear="none">> and let them leave it blank.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> As a community are we willing to accept that many networks simply don't want<br clear="none">> to handle abuse complaints? Or do we want it mandatory and then as a next<br clear="none">> stage tackle these black holes with devnull.</div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">there are other ways to handle abuse on both reporting & resolving side.<br clear="none">what seems to be the populair way these days is publishing abuse in<br clear="none">feeds and subscribing to those feeds, no email involved. example:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://abuse.io/" target="_blank">https://abuse.io/</a><div class="yqt2300526674" id="yqtfd18342"><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>