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<p>Are you *really* discussing what is abuse instead of dealing with
it?</p>
<p>Yes, that is really gonna turn into a stand-up comics...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/16/16 16:08, ox wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:38:49 +0200
David Hilario <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fransossen@hotmail.com"><fransossen@hotmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">And when it comes to the definition discussed in this thread:
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<pre wrap=""> "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
usage rights of another resource"
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The RIPE NCC has also been quite active in that aspect too:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-662#----1-1-registry-maintenance-----strategic-focus-point-2016">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-662#----1-1-registry-maintenance-----strategic-focus-point-2016</a>
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<pre wrap="">Thank you for highlighting that "abuse" is decreasing. But,
unfortunately, I do not know what abuse is, yet.
I want to distinguish between crime and abuse. this will make it easier
in the future for Law enforcement, Prosecutors, Courts and society to
understand that : Joe hijacked an IP range and this could be a crime,
not just "abuse"
For one, I do not agree that unauthorized access is abuse (yet) I think
it may be a crime in many countries, it may not be allowed in terms of
each of our 'terms & conditions' of our own offerings or products and it
is not tolerated, loved or even appreciated in any sane society, but is
is not abuse.
Abuse itself, as a word in the English language is to "use something to
bad effect or;
to use something for bad purpose or;
the improper use of something or;
treating something poorly or badly,
not breaking into something
or stealing and/or hijacking something
When you steal/hijack something and then use that for abuse, that
becomes abuse.
If you just steal something, it is a crime called theft, which I am
sure is illegal almost everywhere (afaik)
Maybe you can help, David?
When RIPE investigates "abuse" what are they investigating? Crimes?
Criminal activity? Fraud? or actual abuse?
Andre
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<pre wrap="">"1.1.6 Internet Number Resource Investigations, and Dispute and
Hijacking Handling
Status: Decreasing
Measurable usage: The RIPE NCC has investigated 252 potential
hijacks since 2012. From 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015 the RIPE NCC
handled 85 investigations. The RIPE NCC received and investigated 572
abuse reports from 1 July 2014 2014 to 30 June 2015."
Cheers,
David
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On 15/08/16, 8:56 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox"
<anti-abuse-wg-bounces _at_ ripe _dot_ net on behalf of andre _at_
ox.co _dot_ za> wrote:
Unauthorized access is NOT ABUSE, in terms of the current
definition:
"The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
usage rights of another resource"
And, this is the crux of it all, this defining of "abuse" is
exactly why we require a definition.
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