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    <p>Insults usually get you ignored by any provider. It does not
      matter if you have a valid complaint, if you insult us you are
      disqualified.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.09.2016 um 00:20 schrieb
      Marilson:<br>
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          <div>On Aug 31, 2016 02:22 AM Andre Coetzee wrote:</div>
          <div>> Just this very long thread and all the confusion
            about what is actually<br>
            > Internet abuse and what is not - serves as plain and
            evident proof that<br>
            > even this, an actual anti-abuse WG, desperately needs a
            definition of<br>
            > Internet Abuse. Civil society is simply ignorant of
            their own<br>
            > requirement(s).</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>First I want to thank you for having changed your
            attitude and not have mocked.</div>
          <div>I do not know whether the members of the group
            desperately needs a definition of Internet Abuse. But as a
            member of civil society, non-technical in IT, end user of
            the Internet and real victim of abuse, I can guarantee you
            that we need desperately is an ethical and honest behavior
            on the part of ISPs. The rest has not the least importance.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>For me it is not clear your goal. But it is not of my
            business. And I congratulate you again. But if you intend to
            use the technical definition of Internet Abuse to decide
            whether the complaint of a victim of abuse should or should
            not put a domain on the blocklist, your group will not have
            credibility. You will be thwarting a real victim of abuse to
            have his case met due to a technicality.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>> 2. I am also <a moz-do-not-send="true" style="href:
              "mailto:ac@spamcop.net"">ac@spamcop.net</a> -
            SpamCop is also a community although <br>
            > operated graciously and ethically by Cisco. We are all
            honorable,<br>
            > ethical and honest people - I challenge you in public
            to tell me the<br>
            > name or email address of one SpamCop member that is not
            that?</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>You continue underestimating people. Sorry to disappoint
            you. I threw a bait - spamcop - and you bit. ;) Regarding
            your challenge I will make much more than you asked for. I
            will paste below the only two messages between me and a
            spamcop member. And these messages occurred only because I
            was forced to complain about the SpamCop by copying for
            Cisco's Privacy Mailer.</div>
          <div>All my messages addressed to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:support@spamcop.net">support@spamcop.net</a>
            correcting the source of spam identification were constantly
            ignored by these honorable and ethical people. I was
            throwing away my time because the reports, via spamcop,
            would never come to the sources of scam. To solve this I
            appealed to Cisco: (follow the dates - had to insult to be
            attended)</div>
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                <div style="font-color: black"><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                      face="Tahoma"><b><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net" style="href:
                        "mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
                          face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
                      face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, January 11,
                        2016 5:48 PM</font></font></font></div>
                <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" style="href:
                        "mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
                          face="Tahoma">marilson.mapa@gmail.com</font></a></font><font
                      face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: Fw: Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
              </div>
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          <div style="TEXT-DECORATION: ; FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ;
            DISPLAY: inline"><font color="#9b00d3">Thank you for the
              information.  A cache refresh has changed the<br>
              reporting addresses used for 212.47.224.0/19<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Richard<br>
              Please include previous correspondence with replies<br>
              .:|:.:|:.</font></div>
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                <div style="font-color: black"><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                      face="Tahoma"><b><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com" style="href:
                        "mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
                          face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
                      face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, January 11,
                        2016 6:34 AM</font></font></font></div>
                <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        title="privacy@cisco.com" style="href:
                        "mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
                          face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a></font><font
                      face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Fw: Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
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                <div><font color="#9b00d3">Thank you for nothing,
                    arrogants of shit...</font></div>
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                          10pt"> <font face="Calibri" size="3">*******************************************</font></font></font></div>
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                          color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
                              style="href:
                              "mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
                                face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
                            face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
                            </font></font></font></div>
                      <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                                style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, December
                              11, 2015 12:11 PM</font></font></font></div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              title="privacy@cisco.com" style="href:
                              "mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
                                face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a></font><font
                            face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
                            </font></font></font></div>
                      <div><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                                style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Spamcop error</font></font></font></div>
                    </div>
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                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">Gentlemen, your
                          subsidiary<strong><em> Spamcop</em></strong>
                          is incurring a mistake repeatedly. I can not
                          find a way or formulary to contact spamcop and
                          explain where the error is.</font></div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">I appeal to you to
                          resolve this problem:</font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">I managed that a known
                          Brazilian spammer, who uses spam to practice
                          embezzlement, be put out of 2 or 3 ISPs. Now
                          he is using a new provider - <strong><em>Tiscali.fr</em></strong>
                          - with the IP <strong><em>212.47.244.217</em></strong>.</font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">To this IP the address
                          is<strong><em> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                style="href:
                                "mailto:abuse@proxad.net"">abuse@proxad.net</a></em></strong></font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">To <strong><em>tiscali.fr</em></strong>,
                          a subsidiary of <strong><em>tiscali.it</em></strong>,
                          is <strong><em><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abuse@it.tiscali.com">abuse@it.tiscali.com</a></em></strong></font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">Spamcop insists on
                          using <strong><em><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abuse@tiscali.fr">abuse@tiscali.fr</a></em></strong></font></div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">This address does not
                          exist. If this is not corrected the criminal
                          spammer will not be denounced.</font></div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">Thanks</font></div>
                      <div><font color="#9b00d3">Marilson</font></div>
                      <div>*******************************************</div>
                      <div>As requests for corrections continued to be
                        ignored, I decided to check the send to the
                        correctly identified sources. Now the
                        disappointment was absolute. No complaint was
                        sent. More than a year doing complaints and
                        nothing was sent. I decided upending the tea
                        table and treat them with the respect they
                        deserved:</div>
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                            <div style="font-color: black"><font
                                color="#9b00d3"><font face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
                                    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                                  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
                                  face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
                                    10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                            <div><font face="Tahoma"><font
                                  color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
                                    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Wednesday,
                                    August 17, 2016 1:55 PM</font></font></font></div>
                            <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                                  face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
                                    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                                  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
                                  face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
                                    10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                            <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                                  face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</font></b><font
                                    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                                  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="privacy@cisco.com"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:privacy@cisco.com""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">privacy@cisco.com</font></a><font
                                    face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="guardian.readers@theguardian.com"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:guardian.readers@theguardian.com""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">guardian.readers@theguardian.com</font></a><font
                                    face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="wsj.ltrs@wsj.com"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:wsj.ltrs@wsj.com""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">The Wall Street
                                      Journal</font></a><font
                                    face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="spam@uce.gov" style="href:
                                    "mailto:spam@uce.gov""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">spam@uce.gov</font></a><font
                                    face="Tahoma"> ; </font><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    title="gmail-abuse@google.com"
                                    style="href:
                                    "mailto:gmail-abuse@google.com""><font
                                      face="Tahoma">gmail-abuse@google.com</font></a></font><font
                                  face="Tahoma"><font style="FONT-SIZE:
                                    10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                            <div><font face="Tahoma"><font
                                  color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                                      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
                                    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
                                    [SpamCop (208.84.242.164)
                                    id:6470587522]=?UTF-8?B?Q09SUkVJT1MgLSBPYmpldG8gYWd1YXJkYW5kbyBy..</font></font></font></div>
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                            <div><font color="#9b00d3">...to help me
                                identify the source of spam ?!? I don’t
                                need help of anyone to identify the
                                source of spam. Several times I
                                corrected your wrong source. I do this
                                better than your company. What I can not
                                do is block a domain. Yes, I opted to
                                send a copy of each of these reports to
                                my own address <strong>AND FOR THOSE
                                  NETWORKS REFERENCED IN SCAN.</strong></font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font color="#9b00d3"><em><font
                                    style="COLOR: #9b00d3">> You then
                                    flipped out on Cisco's Privacy
                                    Mailer because we were sending you
                                    mail, mail you sent yourself. </font></em></font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font color="#9b00d3">Are you crazy? A
                                half-wit? Is that your excuse for your
                                criminal behavior? I copied to Cisco’s
                                Privacy Mailer because you never sent
                                any of my complaints for those networks
                                referenced. During an entire year, liar
                                idiot. Countless hours were lost because
                                of you, rascal. You must to learn to
                                respect the people.</font></div>
                            <div> </div>
                            <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                                  color="#000000">(follow various
                                  insults that I can not repeat at this
                                  working group)</font></font></div>
                            <div>
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                              <div><font color="#9b00d3">Marilson</font></div>
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                                    size="3">*****************************************************************</font></div>
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                                  <div style="font-color: black"><font
                                      color="#9b00d3"><font
                                        face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</font></b><font
                                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          title="deputies@admin.spamcop.net"
                                          style="href:
                                          "mailto:deputies@admin.spamcop.net""><font
                                            face="Tahoma">SpamCop/Richard</font></a></font><font
                                        face="Tahoma"><font
                                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font></font></div>
                                  <div><font face="Tahoma"><font
                                        color="#9b00d3"><b><font
                                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</font></b><font
                                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
                                          Wednesday, August 17, 2016
                                          12:14 PM</font></font></font></div>
                                  <div><font color="#9b00d3"><font
                                        face="Tahoma"><b><font
                                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</font></b><font
                                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </font></font><font
                                        style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><a
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                                          title="marilson.mapa@gmail.com"
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                                          "mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com""><font
                                            face="Tahoma">Marilson</font></a></font><font
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                                            style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</font></b><font
                                          style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
                                          Fw: [SpamCop (208.84.242.164)
id:6470587522]=?UTF-8?B?Q09SUkVJT1MgLSBPYmpldG8gYWd1YXJkYW5kbyBy..</font></font></font></div>
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                                  color="#9b00d3">I think you missed the
                                  point of my first writing.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  SpamCop has been here for the last
                                  year to help you identify the source<br>
                                  of spam you receive and help you send
                                  a complaint to the parties that<br>
                                  are responsible for those networks
                                  sending the spam.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  As part of your settings, you opted to
                                  send a copy of each of these<br>
                                  reports to your own address.  This was
                                  an email from  you (your SpamCop<br>
                                  account) to you.  You then flipped out
                                  on Cisco's Privacy Mailer because<br>
                                  we were sending you mail, mail you
                                  sent yourself.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  SpamCop operates very independently of
                                  Cisco.  The privacy office is in<br>
                                  place to ensure we operate according
                                  to the privacy policy published by<br>
                                  Cisco and to investigate where there
                                  is an accusation or suspicion the<br>
                                  privacy policy may have been
                                  breached...</font></div>
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                      <div>Well Andre, Richard is not a honorable,
                        ethical and honest guy.</div>
                      <div>You can use the argument you wish to explain
                        these facts. But I will not discuss it, in this
                        group, with you.</div>
                      <div>My goal was to denounce spamcop here. Thank
                        you. My disputes with SpamCop and Cisco will
                        continue but in other forums. But if you want to
                        discuss the tricks of Netcraft... I am all ears!</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Marilson</div>
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