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    <p>one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all
      sending steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back.
      operational costs would go through the roof tho lol.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince
      Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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      <p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many
        times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's
        fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this
        mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of
        their cancerous censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'<br>
      </p>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince
        Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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        <p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you
          can think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right.
          lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford
          told the 'world press' about our operations in the past. so
          far for inappropriate language.</p>
        <p><br>
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        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
          Knecht wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CABKQu4_jDJd4puYSubASmcy5szhN9wTOs+Fv0Mjzm9j4WNrUAQ@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div dir="ltr">
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Hello,</div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop using
              this type of offensive language!</div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
              mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in
              the way you are at the moment.</div>
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              style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for a
              minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
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              style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel
              you can send a message without using this type of
              language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">If you have any
              questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Thanks,</div>
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              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Tobias</div>
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              style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- </div>
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                style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline">​RIPE
                Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair</div>
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              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM,
                HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span dir="ltr"><<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
                    target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                    <p>btw it would be of great assistance in this
                      matter if transit carriers, simply, only HAD asn's
                      and no ip prefixes that can be used as a
                      blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
                      combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit
                      providing' part of their operations. parties that
                      provide transit, have no need for ip space (bgp
                      sessions are better on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://10.0.0.0/8" target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a>
                      anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if there
                      are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus
                      (so far they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to
                      'build up pressure' to breach contracts. so just
                      split up those operations.<br>
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                        <div
                          class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                          30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
                          CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                          <p>customer wants to send packets from ip A to
                            ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did
                            our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
                            can't quite see why we would even need to
                            know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other
                            obscure shit protocols out there.<br>
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                          <div
                            class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                            30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
                            von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                            <p>content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.</p>
                            <p>'making more use of a mail protocol that
                              in every other way is used as intended' is
                              also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact
                              it's not abuse at all. it's like tv
                              advertisements.</p>
                            <p>'malware and virusses' all simply exploit
                              the same old services 'provided' by crappy
                              windows malware, which should get some
                              import restrictions, and the problem is
                              solved ay. it's windows itself that is the
                              malware there... <br>
                            </p>
                            <p>'phishing'... so you're saying your bank
                              login procedure sucks balls and/or you
                              think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top
                              secret ones on the back of a plastic card
                              people show in every restaurant they go to
                              are 'security' - go fix your own crap and
                              stop bothering us, we forward -packets-.
                              we don't have time to hunt ghosts for your
                              broken financial services.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>'announcing the whole god damn internet
                              split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's
                              'abuse'. lol.</p>
                            <p>and either way... if someone doesn't like
                              what someone else is doing they can take
                              them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
                              other party) and try to get them to
                              stop... blackmailing the sales department
                              of the transit carriers of their supplier
                              of their supplier of their supplier, will
                              only make them change isps, cause
                              financial loss (or gains: setup fees),
                              etc.</p>
                            <p>so far all spamhaus has ever established
                              is:</p>
                            <p>- a whole lot of
                              unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4
                              'burned' ranges.</p>
                            <p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
                              bashing on open relays)</p>
                            <p>- smtp is no longer real time
                              (graylisting)</p>
                            <p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over
                              20 million ip addresses listed despite
                              there only being 300k mailservers in the
                              world, no wonder!)</p>
                            <p>so instead of stopping spam, they managed
                              to kill of smtp. congratulations.</p>
                            <p>everyone now uses skype and facebook
                              (which are real-time and do have
                              friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded
                              in bringing microsoft and facebook users
                              to spy on. well done.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
                              because it has no users left. people only
                              start it up to read ripe mailinglists
                              (lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT.
                              lol.</p>
                            <p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE
                              from our networks... because... ever since
                              2004... we have simply blocked port 25...
                              smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers
                              shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about
                              shit that is not our problem). we sure as
                              hell have some customers that cause 'shit'
                              but they usually do it in somewhat more
                              profitable markets than sending 'spam' and
                              most definately can buy a tv station or 2
                              to do their advertisements on. tyvm
                              spamhaus. lol.</p>
                            <p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay
                              our 1000-1500 euros per month per server
                              would come from, i don't know, i certainly
                              have never met any... i tried to invoice
                              one 60k once and he backed off already.
                              poor spammers. they're like child porn
                              people. can't pay for anything, so not an
                              urgent issue at all.</p>
                            <p>our customers frequently have the entire
                              fucking cia rolling over their doorstep
                              and if it's not them its the god damn
                              copyright mafia. slightly different
                              budgetarial picture there. shit that -is-
                              worth the trouble.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>now, please take your shitty nagging
                              about 'abuse' of your crappy silly old
                              smtp protocol, which doesn't even
                              -originate- from our networks in the first
                              fucking place, and stick it where the sun
                              doesn't shine... as for malware... windows
                              is the malware there... it facilitates all
                              the programs residing on top of the same
                              old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff
                              crap. so basically call mickeysoft and ask
                              them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or
                              call the european commission and impose
                              trade bans against microsoft. simple
                              enough.<br>
                            </p>
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                            <div
                              class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                              30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
                              von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                              <p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
                                slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
                                trafficing services, specific animals,
                                cocain, data obtained through espionage,
                                encryption technology, vpns, gay
                                propaganda, military propaganda, etc is
                                subject to applicable local law (if any,
                                and if there is none, it's perfectly
                                fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
                                spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the
                                internet government'. even if they think
                                they should be.</p>
                              <p>if the uk wants to keep certain
                                products from entering 'their' territory
                                (and in doing so limit the freedom of
                                their own stakeholders/tax payers) that
                                is up to them others choose not to work
                                against their own stakeholders/tax
                                payers that way. they have a customs
                                department to keep said products
                                outside. can't tell others not to
                                produce or sell or advertise it. setting
                                up dirty front operations like
                                'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the
                                illusion that they would be 'fighting
                                spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
                                geo-political wise and business wise.<br>
                              </p>
                              <p>now... in thailand porn is illegal...
                                so... let's disconnect all porn sites
                                because thailand wants us to, oh but
                                wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus'
                                thinking they rule the entire internet
                                through means of blackmail and calling
                                people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.</p>
                              <p>what also works, besides blackmailing
                                with committing computer sabotage
                                against the sales department of
                                suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of
                                the publisher of a website, are:
                                assassins, commandos, carpet bombing,
                                agent orange. etc... all of which should
                                be deployed against spamhaus if you ask
                                me. :P but a nullroute would suffice.
                                lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' to
                                'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block
                                anything' as they themselves always say.<br>
                              </p>
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                                class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                                30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen
                                wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017
                                      at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf
                                      von CyberBunker <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
                                        target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        <p
                                          class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999gmail_msg">also
                                          it's quite vague that when
                                          some mossadis rent servers and
                                          run an espionage botnet on it
                                          (which we happily intercept
                                          ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus
                                          somehow magically never lists
                                          -that-.. just</p>
                                        <p
                                          class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999gmail_msg"><br>
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                                    </div>
                                    <div>Looking at the amusing rant of
                                      Sven Olaf, it seems that the
                                      listing works!</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Keep up the good work, spamhaus
                                      et al!</div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>esa </div>
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