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<p>smtp is just one of many protocols out there, a primitive, fairly
unimportant and severely lacking in terms of security one at that,
and it's protection cannot be a reason for any disconnection
-ever-.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:17, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>and now it's time for everyone here, to stop giving stevieboy
his way with his absurd definitions of 'abuse'... if there is no
law against it in the country in which the customer recides. its
no reason for disconnection. doing so is not delivering a paid
service, caving into blackmail, and undermining provider
immunity by caving in to any random idiot that just so happens
to have gained influence over mail delivery, and frequently
abuses said (advertised) influence to commit computer sabotage
(he knows what the impacts of his listings are, he advertises
with it), to extort the internet industry into wasting valuable
manhours on him and his self-declared 'delisting procedure', and
breach valuable contracts.</p>
<p>if he mentions any ip address (or worse: personal details) in
his crappy slander and blackmail system he calls 'spamhaus' just
call the feds on him. the guardia civil for example as he
currently is in spain.</p>
<p>viola 13</p>
<p>puerta d' andratx.</p>
<p>under no circumstance should 'spamhaus' be allowed to dictate
which customers to serve and which not. simple as that.</p>
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<p>now act PROFESSIONAL and stop giving this idiot his way just
because he mentions 'spam'. as if 'spam'</p>
<p>is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet... how
about him trying to get entire isps disconnected. who gives a
shit about him and his 'spam'.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:09, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all
sending steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy
back. operational costs would go through the roof tho lol.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however
many times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of
spamhaus, it's fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that
was using this mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to
further the reach of their cancerous censorship tool
disguised as a 'spam fighter'<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing
you can think of as an argument, that shows it's
completely right. lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and
see what steve linford told the 'world press' about our
operations in the past. so far for inappropriate language.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop
using this type of offensive language!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a
public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and
attack in the way you are at the moment.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back
for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you
feel you can send a message without using this type of
language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">If you have
any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46
PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>btw it would be of great assistance in this
matter if transit carriers, simply, only HAD
asn's and no ip prefixes that can be used as a
blackmailing vector. don't quite see why
everyone combines the 'isp' part with the
'transit providing' part of their operations.
parties that provide transit, have no need for
ip space (bgp sessions are better on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://10.0.0.0/8" target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a>
anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like
spamhaus (so far they are the only ones) can
'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to breach
contracts. so just split up those operations.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
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<p>customer wants to send packets from ip
A to ip b... did they arrive? -> yes.
we did our job. no -> we did not do
our job. i can't quite see why we would
even need to know what 'smtp' is. nor
any of the other obscure shit protocols
out there.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven
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<p>content. is NEVER.
network-related-abuse.</p>
<p>'making more use of a mail protocol
that in every other way is used as
intended' is also not
'network-related-abuse' in fact it's
not abuse at all. it's like tv
advertisements.</p>
<p>'malware and virusses' all simply
exploit the same old services
'provided' by crappy windows malware,
which should get some import
restrictions, and the problem is
solved ay. it's windows itself that is
the malware there... <br>
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<p>'phishing'... so you're saying your
bank login procedure sucks balls
and/or you think 16 numbers on the
front and 3 top secret ones on the
back of a plastic card people show in
every restaurant they go to are
'security' - go fix your own crap and
stop bothering us, we forward
-packets-. we don't have time to hunt
ghosts for your broken financial
services.<br>
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<p>'announcing the whole god damn
internet split up into /24s'.. - yes
.. that's 'abuse'. lol.</p>
<p>and either way... if someone doesn't
like what someone else is doing they
can take them to the -appropriate-
courts (of the other party) and try to
get them to stop... blackmailing the
sales department of the transit
carriers of their supplier of their
supplier of their supplier, will only
make them change isps, cause financial
loss (or gains: setup fees), etc.</p>
<p>so far all spamhaus has ever
established is:</p>
<p>- a whole lot of
unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4
'burned' ranges.</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer
(their bashing on open relays)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer real time
(graylisting)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with
over 20 million ip addresses listed
despite there only being 300k
mailservers in the world, no wonder!)</p>
<p>so instead of stopping spam, they
managed to kill of smtp.
congratulations.</p>
<p>everyone now uses skype and facebook
(which are real-time and do have
friends-lists) lolol. you have
succeeded in bringing microsoft and
facebook users to spy on. well done.<br>
</p>
<p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is
only because it has no users left.
people only start it up to read ripe
mailinglists (lol) or sign up for
habbo hotel. FACT. lol.</p>
<p>none of our customers has ever sent
UCE from our networks... because...
ever since 2004... we have simply
blocked port 25... smtp only causes
-shit- and it -delivers shit-
(abusemail and 'legal' threats about
shit that is not our problem). we sure
as hell have some customers that cause
'shit' but they usually do it in
somewhat more profitable markets than
sending 'spam' and most definately can
buy a tv station or 2 to do their
advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.</p>
<p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can
pay our 1000-1500 euros per month per
server would come from, i don't know,
i certainly have never met any... i
tried to invoice one 60k once and he
backed off already. poor spammers.
they're like child porn people. can't
pay for anything, so not an urgent
issue at all.</p>
<p>our customers frequently have the
entire fucking cia rolling over their
doorstep and if it's not them its the
god damn copyright mafia. slightly
different budgetarial picture there.
shit that -is- worth the trouble.<br>
</p>
<p>now, please take your shitty nagging
about 'abuse' of your crappy silly old
smtp protocol, which doesn't even
-originate- from our networks in the
first fucking place, and stick it
where the sun doesn't shine... as for
malware... windows is the malware
there... it facilitates all the
programs residing on top of the same
old 1990s badly implemented os/2
ripoff crap. so basically call
mickeysoft and ask them to fix the
bugs they all exploit, or call the
european commission and impose trade
bans against microsoft. simple enough.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven
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<p>advertising the sale of : viagra,
sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind,
human trafficing services, specific
animals, cocain, data obtained
through espionage, encryption
technology, vpns, gay propaganda,
military propaganda, etc is subject
to applicable local law (if any, and
if there is none, it's perfectly
fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the
internet government'. even if they
think they should be.</p>
<p>if the uk wants to keep certain
products from entering 'their'
territory (and in doing so limit the
freedom of their own
stakeholders/tax payers) that is up
to them others choose not to work
against their own stakeholders/tax
payers that way. they have a customs
department to keep said products
outside. can't tell others not to
produce or sell or advertise it.
setting up dirty front operations
like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds
into the illusion that they would be
'fighting spam' is a very nasty
thing to do. geo-political wise and
business wise.<br>
</p>
<p>now... in thailand porn is
illegal... so... let's disconnect
all porn sites because thailand
wants us to, oh but wait, thailand
doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking
they rule the entire internet
through means of blackmail and
calling people 'spammers' or 'spam
supporters'.</p>
<p>what also works, besides
blackmailing with committing
computer sabotage against the sales
department of suppliers of suppliers
of suppliers of the publisher of a
website, are: assassins, commandos,
carpet bombing, agent orange. etc...
all of which should be deployed
against spamhaus if you ask me. :P
but a nullroute would suffice. lol.
after all bgp is an 'advisory' to
'voluntary peers' and 'we don't
block anything' as they themselves
always say.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen
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2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <<a
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<p
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it's quite vague that when
some mossadis rent servers
and run an espionage
botnet on it (which we
happily intercept
ourselves ofcourse) -
spamhaus somehow magically
never lists -that-.. just</p>
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<div>Looking at the amusing rant
of Sven Olaf, it seems that
the listing works!</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work,
spamhaus et al!</div>
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