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<p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can
think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol.
you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the
'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for
inappropriate language.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop using this
type of offensive language!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in the
way you are at the moment.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for a
minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel you
can send a message without using this type of language, feel
free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if
transit carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip
prefixes that can be used as a blackmailing vector.
don't quite see why everyone combines the 'isp' part
with the 'transit providing' part of their operations.
parties that provide transit, have no need for ip
space (bgp sessions are better on <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://10.0.0.0/8"
target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a> anyway, prevents
attack from 'outside'). if there are no ip's there is
nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far they are the only
ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to breach
contracts. so just split up those operations.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip
b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did our job.
no -> we did not do our job. i can't quite
see why we would even need to know what 'smtp'
is. nor any of the other obscure shit protocols
out there.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
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<p>content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.</p>
<p>'making more use of a mail protocol that in
every other way is used as intended' is also
not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not
abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.</p>
<p>'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the
same old services 'provided' by crappy windows
malware, which should get some import
restrictions, and the problem is solved ay.
it's windows itself that is the malware
there... <br>
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<p>'phishing'... so you're saying your bank
login procedure sucks balls and/or you think
16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones
on the back of a plastic card people show in
every restaurant they go to are 'security' -
go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we
forward -packets-. we don't have time to hunt
ghosts for your broken financial services.<br>
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<p>'announcing the whole god damn internet split
up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.</p>
<p>and either way... if someone doesn't like
what someone else is doing they can take them
to the -appropriate- courts (of the other
party) and try to get them to stop...
blackmailing the sales department of the
transit carriers of their supplier of their
supplier of their supplier, will only make
them change isps, cause financial loss (or
gains: setup fees), etc.</p>
<p>so far all spamhaus has ever established is:</p>
<p>- a whole lot of
unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
ranges.</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
bashing on open relays)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20
million ip addresses listed despite there only
being 300k mailservers in the world, no
wonder!)</p>
<p>so instead of stopping spam, they managed to
kill of smtp. congratulations.</p>
<p>everyone now uses skype and facebook (which
are real-time and do have friends-lists)
lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well
done.<br>
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<p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
because it has no users left. people only
start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or
sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.</p>
<p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE from
our networks... because... ever since 2004...
we have simply blocked port 25... smtp only
causes -shit- and it -delivers shit-
(abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that
is not our problem). we sure as hell have some
customers that cause 'shit' but they usually
do it in somewhat more profitable markets than
sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a
tv station or 2 to do their advertisements on.
tyvm spamhaus. lol.</p>
<p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our
1000-1500 euros per month per server would
come from, i don't know, i certainly have
never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k
once and he backed off already. poor spammers.
they're like child porn people. can't pay for
anything, so not an urgent issue at all.</p>
<p>our customers frequently have the entire
fucking cia rolling over their doorstep and if
it's not them its the god damn copyright
mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture
there. shit that -is- worth the trouble.<br>
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<p>now, please take your shitty nagging about
'abuse' of your crappy silly old smtp
protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from
our networks in the first fucking place, and
stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for
malware... windows is the malware there... it
facilitates all the programs residing on top
of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2
ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft and
ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or
call the european commission and impose trade
bans against microsoft. simple enough.<br>
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<div
class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
trafficing services, specific animals,
cocain, data obtained through espionage,
encryption technology, vpns, gay propaganda,
military propaganda, etc is subject to
applicable local law (if any, and if there
is none, it's perfectly fine)... not
'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not
supposed to be 'the internet government'.
even if they think they should be.</p>
<p>if the uk wants to keep certain products
from entering 'their' territory (and in
doing so limit the freedom of their own
stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them
others choose not to work against their own
stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have
a customs department to keep said products
outside. can't tell others not to produce or
sell or advertise it. setting up dirty front
operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive
nerds into the illusion that they would be
'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
geo-political wise and business wise.<br>
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<p>now... in thailand porn is illegal... so...
let's disconnect all porn sites because
thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand
doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule
the entire internet through means of
blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or
'spam supporters'.</p>
<p>what also works, besides blackmailing with
committing computer sabotage against the
sales department of suppliers of suppliers
of suppliers of the publisher of a website,
are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing,
agent orange. etc... all of which should be
deployed against spamhaus if you ask me. :P
but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after
all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary
peers' and 'we don't block anything' as they
themselves always say.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at
12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker <<a
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it's quite vague that when some
mossadis rent servers and run an
espionage botnet on it (which we
happily intercept ourselves
ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
magically never lists -that-..
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<div>Looking at the amusing rant of Sven
Olaf, it seems that the listing works!</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work, spamhaus et
al!</div>
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<div>esa </div>
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