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    <p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many
      times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's
      fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this
      mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of
      their cancerous censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince
      Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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      <p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you
        can think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right.
        lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford
        told the 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far
        for inappropriate language.</p>
      <p><br>
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      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
        Knecht wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CABKQu4_jDJd4puYSubASmcy5szhN9wTOs+Fv0Mjzm9j4WNrUAQ@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div dir="ltr">
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Hello,</div>
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop using
            this type of offensive language!</div>
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
            mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in
            the way you are at the moment.</div>
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            style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for a
            minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
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            style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel you
            can send a message without using this type of language, feel
            free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">If you have any
            questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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          <div class="gmail_default"
            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Thanks,</div>
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            style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Tobias</div>
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            style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- </div>
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              style="font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline">​RIPE
              Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM,
              HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
                  target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                  <p>btw it would be of great assistance in this matter
                    if transit carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no
                    ip prefixes that can be used as a blackmailing
                    vector. don't quite see why everyone combines the
                    'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
                    their operations. parties that provide transit, have
                    no need for ip space (bgp sessions are better on <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://10.0.0.0/8"
                      target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a> anyway, prevents
                    attack from 'outside'). if there are no ip's there
                    is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far they are the
                    only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to
                    breach contracts. so just split up those operations.<br>
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                      <div
                        class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                        30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
                        CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                        <p>customer wants to send packets from ip A to
                          ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did our
                          job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't
                          quite see why we would even need to know what
                          'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure shit
                          protocols out there.<br>
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                        <div
                          class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                          30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
                          CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                          <p>content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.</p>
                          <p>'making more use of a mail protocol that in
                            every other way is used as intended' is also
                            not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not
                            abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.</p>
                          <p>'malware and virusses' all simply exploit
                            the same old services 'provided' by crappy
                            windows malware, which should get some
                            import restrictions, and the problem is
                            solved ay. it's windows itself that is the
                            malware there... <br>
                          </p>
                          <p>'phishing'... so you're saying your bank
                            login procedure sucks balls and/or you think
                            16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret
                            ones on the back of a plastic card people
                            show in every restaurant they go to are
                            'security' - go fix your own crap and stop
                            bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't
                            have time to hunt ghosts for your broken
                            financial services.<br>
                          </p>
                          <p>'announcing the whole god damn internet
                            split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's
                            'abuse'. lol.</p>
                          <p>and either way... if someone doesn't like
                            what someone else is doing they can take
                            them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
                            other party) and try to get them to stop...
                            blackmailing the sales department of the
                            transit carriers of their supplier of their
                            supplier of their supplier, will only make
                            them change isps, cause financial loss (or
                            gains: setup fees), etc.</p>
                          <p>so far all spamhaus has ever established
                            is:</p>
                          <p>- a whole lot of
                            unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
                            ranges.</p>
                          <p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
                            bashing on open relays)</p>
                          <p>- smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)</p>
                          <p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20
                            million ip addresses listed despite there
                            only being 300k mailservers in the world, no
                            wonder!)</p>
                          <p>so instead of stopping spam, they managed
                            to kill of smtp. congratulations.</p>
                          <p>everyone now uses skype and facebook (which
                            are real-time and do have friends-lists)
                            lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
                            microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well
                            done.<br>
                          </p>
                          <p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
                            because it has no users left. people only
                            start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol)
                            or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.</p>
                          <p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE
                            from our networks... because... ever since
                            2004... we have simply blocked port 25...
                            smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers
                            shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about
                            shit that is not our problem). we sure as
                            hell have some customers that cause 'shit'
                            but they usually do it in somewhat more
                            profitable markets than sending 'spam' and
                            most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to
                            do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus.
                            lol.</p>
                          <p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay
                            our 1000-1500 euros per month per server
                            would come from, i don't know, i certainly
                            have never met any... i tried to invoice one
                            60k once and he backed off already. poor
                            spammers. they're like child porn people.
                            can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
                            issue at all.</p>
                          <p>our customers frequently have the entire
                            fucking cia rolling over their doorstep and
                            if it's not them its the god damn copyright
                            mafia. slightly different budgetarial
                            picture there. shit that -is- worth the
                            trouble.<br>
                          </p>
                          <p>now, please take your shitty nagging about
                            'abuse' of your crappy silly old smtp
                            protocol, which doesn't even -originate-
                            from our networks in the first fucking
                            place, and stick it where the sun doesn't
                            shine... as for malware... windows is the
                            malware there... it facilitates all the
                            programs residing on top of the same old
                            1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so
                            basically call mickeysoft and ask them to
                            fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the
                            european commission and impose trade bans
                            against microsoft. simple enough.<br>
                          </p>
                          <br>
                          <div
                            class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                            30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
                            von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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                            <p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
                              slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
                              trafficing services, specific animals,
                              cocain, data obtained through espionage,
                              encryption technology, vpns, gay
                              propaganda, military propaganda, etc is
                              subject to applicable local law (if any,
                              and if there is none, it's perfectly
                              fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
                              spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the
                              internet government'. even if they think
                              they should be.</p>
                            <p>if the uk wants to keep certain products
                              from entering 'their' territory (and in
                              doing so limit the freedom of their own
                              stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to
                              them others choose not to work against
                              their own stakeholders/tax payers that
                              way. they have a customs department to
                              keep said products outside. can't tell
                              others not to produce or sell or advertise
                              it. setting up dirty front operations like
                              'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the
                              illusion that they would be 'fighting
                              spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
                              geo-political wise and business wise.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>now... in thailand porn is illegal...
                              so... let's disconnect all porn sites
                              because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
                              thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus'
                              thinking they rule the entire internet
                              through means of blackmail and calling
                              people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.</p>
                            <p>what also works, besides blackmailing
                              with committing computer sabotage against
                              the sales department of suppliers of
                              suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of
                              a website, are: assassins, commandos,
                              carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all
                              of which should be deployed against
                              spamhaus if you ask me. :P but a nullroute
                              would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an
                              'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we
                              don't block anything' as they themselves
                              always say.<br>
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                              class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
                              30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at
                                    12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
                                    CyberBunker <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
                                      target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <p
                                        class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999gmail_msg">also
                                        it's quite vague that when some
                                        mossadis rent servers and run an
                                        espionage botnet on it (which we
                                        happily intercept ourselves
                                        ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
                                        magically never lists -that-..
                                        just</p>
                                      <p
                                        class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999gmail_msg"><br>
                                      </p>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div>Looking at the amusing rant of
                                    Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing
                                    works!</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Keep up the good work, spamhaus
                                    et al!</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>esa </div>
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