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<p>and now it's time for everyone here, to stop giving stevieboy his
way with his absurd definitions of 'abuse'... if there is no law
against it in the country in which the customer recides. its no
reason for disconnection. doing so is not delivering a paid
service, caving into blackmail, and undermining provider immunity
by caving in to any random idiot that just so happens to have
gained influence over mail delivery, and frequently abuses said
(advertised) influence to commit computer sabotage (he knows what
the impacts of his listings are, he advertises with it), to extort
the internet industry into wasting valuable manhours on him and
his self-declared 'delisting procedure', and breach valuable
contracts.</p>
<p>if he mentions any ip address (or worse: personal details) in his
crappy slander and blackmail system he calls 'spamhaus' just call
the feds on him. the guardia civil for example as he currently is
in spain.</p>
<p>viola 13</p>
<p>puerta d' andratx.</p>
<p>under no circumstance should 'spamhaus' be allowed to dictate
which customers to serve and which not. simple as that.</p>
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<p>now act PROFESSIONAL and stop giving this idiot his way just
because he mentions 'spam'. as if 'spam'</p>
<p>is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet... how
about him trying to get entire isps disconnected. who gives a shit
about him and his 'spam'.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:09, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all
sending steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back.
operational costs would go through the roof tho lol.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however
many times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of
spamhaus, it's fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that
was using this mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to
further the reach of their cancerous censorship tool disguised
as a 'spam fighter'<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing
you can think of as an argument, that shows it's completely
right. lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what
steve linford told the 'world press' about our operations in
the past. so far for inappropriate language.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop
using this type of offensive language!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack
in the way you are at the moment.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for
a minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel
you can send a message without using this type of
language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46
PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>></span>
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<p>btw it would be of great assistance in this
matter if transit carriers, simply, only HAD
asn's and no ip prefixes that can be used as a
blackmailing vector. don't quite see why
everyone combines the 'isp' part with the
'transit providing' part of their operations.
parties that provide transit, have no need for
ip space (bgp sessions are better on <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://10.0.0.0/8" target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a>
anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like
spamhaus (so far they are the only ones) can
'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to breach
contracts. so just split up those operations.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
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<p>customer wants to send packets from ip A
to ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we
did our job. no -> we did not do our
job. i can't quite see why we would even
need to know what 'smtp' is. nor any of
the other obscure shit protocols out
there.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
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<p>content. is NEVER.
network-related-abuse.</p>
<p>'making more use of a mail protocol
that in every other way is used as
intended' is also not
'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not
abuse at all. it's like tv
advertisements.</p>
<p>'malware and virusses' all simply
exploit the same old services 'provided'
by crappy windows malware, which should
get some import restrictions, and the
problem is solved ay. it's windows
itself that is the malware there... <br>
</p>
<p>'phishing'... so you're saying your
bank login procedure sucks balls and/or
you think 16 numbers on the front and 3
top secret ones on the back of a plastic
card people show in every restaurant
they go to are 'security' - go fix your
own crap and stop bothering us, we
forward -packets-. we don't have time to
hunt ghosts for your broken financial
services.<br>
</p>
<p>'announcing the whole god damn internet
split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's
'abuse'. lol.</p>
<p>and either way... if someone doesn't
like what someone else is doing they can
take them to the -appropriate- courts
(of the other party) and try to get them
to stop... blackmailing the sales
department of the transit carriers of
their supplier of their supplier of
their supplier, will only make them
change isps, cause financial loss (or
gains: setup fees), etc.</p>
<p>so far all spamhaus has ever
established is:</p>
<p>- a whole lot of
unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4
'burned' ranges.</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
bashing on open relays)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer real time
(graylisting)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over
20 million ip addresses listed despite
there only being 300k mailservers in the
world, no wonder!)</p>
<p>so instead of stopping spam, they
managed to kill of smtp.
congratulations.</p>
<p>everyone now uses skype and facebook
(which are real-time and do have
friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded
in bringing microsoft and facebook users
to spy on. well done.<br>
</p>
<p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
because it has no users left. people
only start it up to read ripe
mailinglists (lol) or sign up for habbo
hotel. FACT. lol.</p>
<p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE
from our networks... because... ever
since 2004... we have simply blocked
port 25... smtp only causes -shit- and
it -delivers shit- (abusemail and
'legal' threats about shit that is not
our problem). we sure as hell have some
customers that cause 'shit' but they
usually do it in somewhat more
profitable markets than sending 'spam'
and most definately can buy a tv station
or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm
spamhaus. lol.</p>
<p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can
pay our 1000-1500 euros per month per
server would come from, i don't know, i
certainly have never met any... i tried
to invoice one 60k once and he backed
off already. poor spammers. they're like
child porn people. can't pay for
anything, so not an urgent issue at all.</p>
<p>our customers frequently have the
entire fucking cia rolling over their
doorstep and if it's not them its the
god damn copyright mafia. slightly
different budgetarial picture there.
shit that -is- worth the trouble.<br>
</p>
<p>now, please take your shitty nagging
about 'abuse' of your crappy silly old
smtp protocol, which doesn't even
-originate- from our networks in the
first fucking place, and stick it where
the sun doesn't shine... as for
malware... windows is the malware
there... it facilitates all the programs
residing on top of the same old 1990s
badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so
basically call mickeysoft and ask them
to fix the bugs they all exploit, or
call the european commission and impose
trade bans against microsoft. simple
enough.<br>
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<div
class="m_6549651794619440871m_793469507868321999moz-cite-prefix">On
30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven
Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
trafficing services, specific animals,
cocain, data obtained through
espionage, encryption technology,
vpns, gay propaganda, military
propaganda, etc is subject to
applicable local law (if any, and if
there is none, it's perfectly fine)...
not 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is
not supposed to be 'the internet
government'. even if they think they
should be.</p>
<p>if the uk wants to keep certain
products from entering 'their'
territory (and in doing so limit the
freedom of their own stakeholders/tax
payers) that is up to them others
choose not to work against their own
stakeholders/tax payers that way. they
have a customs department to keep said
products outside. can't tell others
not to produce or sell or advertise
it. setting up dirty front operations
like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds
into the illusion that they would be
'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing
to do. geo-political wise and business
wise.<br>
</p>
<p>now... in thailand porn is illegal...
so... let's disconnect all porn sites
because thailand wants us to, oh but
wait, thailand doesn't have a
'spamhaus' thinking they rule the
entire internet through means of
blackmail and calling people
'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.</p>
<p>what also works, besides blackmailing
with committing computer sabotage
against the sales department of
suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of
the publisher of a website, are:
assassins, commandos, carpet bombing,
agent orange. etc... all of which
should be deployed against spamhaus if
you ask me. :P but a nullroute would
suffice. lol. after all bgp is an
'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and
'we don't block anything' as they
themselves always say.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 30,
2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven
Olaf von CyberBunker <<a
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<p
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it's quite vague that when
some mossadis rent servers
and run an espionage botnet
on it (which we happily
intercept ourselves
ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
magically never lists
-that-.. just</p>
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<div>Looking at the amusing rant
of Sven Olaf, it seems that the
listing works!</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work,
spamhaus et al!</div>
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