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<DIV>Hi Olaf,</DIV>
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<DIV>How do you know what I wrote considering that my message about "Why SPAM
exists" has not been published? If so, why did not I get it in my mail?</DIV>
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<DIV>And Olaf, my email manager blocks all messages I receive from you. Why?
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<DIV>Marilson</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=svenk@xs4all.nl
href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl">HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:52 PM</DIV>
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title=marilson.mapa@gmail.com href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">Marilson</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue
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<P>trump is the president of the usa, not of the internet.<BR></P>btw. trump
prefers to use 'twitter'. not 'email'. twitter does have the option to select
whose tweets one wants to see, and which ones -not-. you know... basic things...
every protocol should have... and every protocol around today for that matter,
DOES have... except for your silly old 'email' crap.<BR><BR>can't just put
@realDonaldTrump in a From: header and start to send viagra offers on twitter to
all his followers... you can on smtp. that's one of the MAIN REASONS smtp should
have died a loooong time ago, and most definately does not deserve any 'special
protections' against dying out even more.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 11 فبر, 2017 م 01:02, Marilson wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Why SPAM exists...</DIV>
<DIV>Because ISP exists.</DIV>
<DIV>Because in 2004 Trump was not President...</DIV>
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<DIV>Marilson</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:00 AM</DIV>
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Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Why SPAM exists in 2017 (ox)<BR> 2.
Re: Why SPAM exists in 2017 (peter h)<BR> 3. Re: Why SPAM exists
in 2017 (Richard
Clayton)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:11:40 +0200<BR>From: ox <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za">mailto:andre@ox.co.za</A><BR>To: <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A><BR>Subject:
[anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017<BR>Message-ID: <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:mailman.2.1486810802.25905.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">mailto:mailman.2.1486810802.25905.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<BR><BR>Hello Everyone,<BR><BR>Famously, during
2004, Bill Gates promised the world that Spam would no<BR>longer exist by
2006.<BR><BR>More than a decade later, spam even penetrates the very best
"insert whatever <BR>name here" technology. <BR><BR>It is 2017 and apparently
society does not understand why spam still exists.<BR><BR>Of course, all of us
know why there is still spam. <BR>//donning flame retardant suit (and tinfoil
hat for good measure... )<BR><BR>For those that lurk to learn, or, for anyone
with no pov on why there is still
spam:<BR><BR>********************************<BR>Spam exists because society
does not agree on a single protocol to stop spam. <BR>(We do not all even
agree on the definition of what spam is.)<BR>In society, some filter emails by
DNS, some by IP number (worrying about<BR>dropping emails from co-located
domains that have not updated their<BR>wordpress and are pumping out 1 legit
email for every 1000 spam, etc<BR>etc - we should also discuss this
sometime?)<BR>********************************<BR><BR>The concern for "false
positives" outrank that of sender reputation and is out of whack.<BR>(and we,
society, do not want to change this)<BR><BR>let us take a closer look at a
practical (and factual) example of this imbalance:<BR><BR>Fact: Both
Google.com and Yahoo.com send out spam (unsolicited bulk<BR>email - where bulk
is defined as more than one or two of the same email and <BR>unsolicited - as
simply not requested or expected) <BR><BR>Fact: We all receive many times more
spam from yahoo.com as we do from google.com <BR>even though google.com
transmits many times more ham than yahoo.com<BR>(Another simple truth: We all
receive much more criminal activity from yahoo.com <BR>than from
google.com)<BR><BR>If you wish to dispute these simple and factual numbers you
can look at<BR>the IP ranges in public data related to abuse, as the
statistics report exactly <BR>the same facts that I am claiming (and
experiencing))<BR><BR>Yet, we will be hard pressed to 'drop" incoming from
yahoo.com simply<BR>based on sender score, we also do not use other RBL, that
lists Google.com <BR>IP numbers, for drop. (as our users would have hissy fits
if they did not get email<BR>from example@yahoo or example@gmail - in fact -
they may simply move<BR>their email hosting to google... - because
google/yahoo cannot be<BR>wrong, it has to be
@example_of_small_isp...<BR><BR>Our user(s) want to receive email from
grandma, even though grandma has<BR>just dumped 10000 unsolicited emails
asking for donations to send her<BR>old age club to the beach for "insert name
of special and/or religious holiday here"<BR><BR>Your
thoughts?<BR><BR>Andre<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date:
Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:40:44 +0100<BR>From: peter h <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:peter@hk.ipsec.se">mailto:peter@hk.ipsec.se</A><BR>To: <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017<BR>Message-ID: <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:201702110940.44617.peter@hk.ipsec.se">mailto:201702110940.44617.peter@hk.ipsec.se</A><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>On Saturday 11 February 2017
09.11, ox wrote:<BR>> Hello Everyone,<BR>> <BR>> Famously, during
2004, Bill Gates promised the world that Spam would no<BR>> longer exist by
2006.<BR>> <BR><snip><BR>> Your thoughts?<BR>> <BR>>
Andre<BR><BR><BR>Spam exists as ISP across the world, with some excemptions,
don't do even the most basic<BR>procedures to detect and stop spam from their
networks. Shame on them ( but it is cheap )<BR><BR>--
<BR> Peter H?kanson
<BR><BR> There's never money to do
it right, but always money to do
it<BR> again ... and again ... and
again ... and again.<BR> ( Det ?r
billigare att g?ra r?tt. Det ?r dyrt att laga fel.
)<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date:
Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:31:32 +0000<BR>From: Richard Clayton <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:richard@highwayman.com">mailto:richard@highwayman.com</A><BR>To:
ox <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za">mailto:andre@ox.co.za</A><BR>Cc: <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017<BR>Message-ID: <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:TJ9nk8EEgunYFAxS@highwayman.com">mailto:TJ9nk8EEgunYFAxS@highwayman.com</A><BR><BR>-----BEGIN
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writes<BR><BR>>Famously, during 2004, Bill Gates promised the world that
Spam would no<BR>>longer exist by 2006.<BR><BR>he believed that the "Penny
Black" scheme would work... he was wrong,<BR>the bad guys have more resources
to hand than the good guys and so a<BR>system based on proof-of-work could not
be effective<BR><BR>some of us explained this at the time
...<BR><BR> <A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/proofwork2.pdf">http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/proofwork2.pdf</A><BR><BR>-
--
<BR>richard
Richard Clayton<BR><BR>They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary<BR>safety deserve neither liberty nor
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