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<DIV>Finally someone telling the truth.</DIV>
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<DIV>Yesterday Peter H answering to Olaf:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>>> SPAM... is NOT... abuse. spam is fully legal. neither
technical abuse nor a crime or anything else<BR>> WRONG. SPAM is
illegal in sweden and EU.
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<DIV>>> and in the few cases where it could be a crime, just call the
feds. it's their job, not the isps.<BR>> ISP's is cooperating in this crime.
They know the crime, they know how to prevent it and they don't.</DIV>
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<DIV>It's worst, Peter! Even when it's a criminal scammer, they try to hide him
changing their domain. Greed borders on psychopathy. The fictional character
Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas) is a Mother Teresa of Wall Street when
compared.</DIV>
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<DIV>Peter, my friend Olaf is my enemy. He does not agree to criminalize ISPs.
You and I know that many ISPs are complicit in these illicit activities and
enable the existence of sp(c)ammers. After all are 'only' 473 billion spam PER
DAY.</DIV>
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<DIV>If Olaf does not stop blaming the Jews his messages will not be posted on
this list. Anyone who is not happy with the actions of the Jews in the world
economy should try to be as competent as they are and do differently. After all
their Nobel Prize collection was not bought.</DIV>
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<DIV>Olaf, I'll give you a real reason to vent your anger. The Jews invented a
tool that caused, causes and will continue to cause so many evils that makes the
holocaust an event without expression: monotheism. This tool is the legacy of
the Jews for humanity. If it does not extinguish mankind.</DIV>
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<DIV>Peter, meet my friend-enemy Olaf.</DIV>
<DIV>Co-chair wrote to Olaf:</DIV>
<DIV>>> Please let me know how you think we can proceed.</DIV>
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<DIV>Olaf answered:<BR>> you can start by letting mine and marilsons's mails
through again... <BR>eventhough i probably don't agree on marilsons standpoint
that 'isps are criminals'... we must point out that isps OWN RIPE.<BR>and ripe
owns this mailinglist.</DIV>
<DIV>> they are free to go to the IETF and/or ITU and write a new RFC for a
new protocol with a friends list and confirmed senders, and solve it that
way</DIV>
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<DIV>Solve? <SPAN id=ouHighlight__0_5TO0_6
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<DIV>We first<BR>Marilson</DIV>Never so few done so much harm to so many.<BR>
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1<BR>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 08:33:46 +0100<BR>From: peter h
<peter@hk.ipsec.se><BR>To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<BR>Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017<BR>Message-ID:
<201702120833.46899.peter@hk.ipsec.se><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>I received this with a personal mail message, i find it
interesting enough to<BR>share with the list:<BR><BR>On Saturday 11 February
2017 23.29, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<BR>> simple: why spam
'exists' in 2017 is that 1: it's legal 2: it's not even <BR>> real abuse even
if it would be illegal (it does not use any protocol or <BR>> service daemon
outside of it's technically specified bounds) and 3: you <BR>> never bothered
to modify your antique protocol to include a friends list <BR>> or encryption
keys to select 'senders' based on a contact request or <BR>> pre-shared
keys.<BR>> <BR>> the question is more why is 'spam' being considered
'abuse' on this <BR>> mailinglist in 2017 when there are tons of -actual-
REAL abuses on a <BR>> network level going on every single day.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> SPAM... is NOT... abuse. spam is fully legal. neither
technical abuse <BR>> nor a crime or anything else<BR><BR>WRONG. SPAM
is illegal in sweden and EU.<BR><BR>> <BR>> and in the few cases where it
could be a crime, just call the feds. it's <BR>> their job, not the
isps.<BR><BR>ISP's is cooperating in this crime. They know the crime, they know
how to prevent it<BR>and they don't. <BR><BR><BR>The rest of this message
deleted ..<BR>> <BR>zsnip><BR>> Spam exists as ISP across the world,
with some excemptions, don't do even the most basic<BR>> > procedures to
detect and stop spam from their networks. Shame on them ( but it is cheap
)<BR>> ><BR>> <BR>> <BR><BR>--
<BR> Peter H?kanson
<BR><BR> There's never money to do it
right, but always money to do it<BR>
again ... and again ... and again ... and
again.<BR> ( Det ?r billigare att g?ra
r?tt. Det ?r dyrt att laga fel. )<BR><BR><BR><BR>End of anti-abuse-wg Digest,
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