<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY dir=ltr> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <DIV>On May 28 Andre wrote:</DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do<BR>> not have criminal competitors.</FONT></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Although this phrase is beyond my capacity for understanding, I think I should greet you for not fearing unfair competition.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a<BR>> Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior.</FONT></FONT><BR> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I'll explain to you what is not acceptable behavior:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>1- It is you being customer of a provider owner with a professional life history worthy of an arrogant sociopath with the attitudes of a Nazi despot - reread the curriculum I related.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>2- It is you acting like some Afrikaners who defended the principles of the National Socialist Party - read Nazism - that gave support to the maintenance of apartheid in your homeland. Heil Hetzner!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>3- It is an ISP owner refusing to suspend a reported customer numerous times, for 18 months, with evidence of the practice of crime.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>4- It is an ISP owner to allow a victim of his client to spend 18 months denouncing the same scam, the same scammer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society.</FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A hate speech: If I lived in Germany I would have sued this tramp. From where I am I can only insult and report him to the world.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Disrespect to civil society are his relationships with sociopath despots like Putin, are his attacks on freedom of the press, are his pursuits those who fight spammers and give support for reported criminals.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Disrespect to civil society it is to defend and hire the services of people who should be arrested.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Heil Coetzee!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Marilson</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=andre@ox.co.za href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za">ox</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:21 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=marilson.mapa@gmail.com href="mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com">Marilson</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:26:42 -0300<BR>"Marilson" <marilson.mapa@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies<BR>> someone will call you Pot. :)<BR>> <BR>No, firstly, there is no competition between lists... All lists have<BR>different data and sometimes different priorities and focus. (Did you<BR>see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all time - this has time focus -<BR>some lists adds weight for RIR, some lists focus on actual syndicates,<BR>some on actual bot tech, some aggregate bots & syndicates - for<BR>example - on your one IP number you may be hosting 900 domains and<BR>only one of those belong to a crime syndicate sending spear or to a<BR>child pornographer. - if you are on that list - find your criminal - and get rid of them...<BR>some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated and with zero (or next to<BR>zero) false positives. some lists randomly list ip numbers, etc.<BR><BR>a list is a list and the quality of a list depends on the maintenance thereof and <BR>the value it ads to society. This value is sometimes displayed in the<BR>'score' or numerical weight attached to programs similar to spamassassin<BR>assigned to a list by independent users.<BR><BR>Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do<BR>not have criminal competitors.<BR><BR>Lastly, if there is a list that is listing other lists for no reason and also lists <BR>honeynets (traps) and victims - the advantage for doing that is only to<BR>criminal enterprise. <BR><BR>Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a<BR>Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior.<BR><BR>It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society.<BR><BR>Andre<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>