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<DIV>Volker wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>> Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal
<BR>> activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal
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<DIV>Volker, do as the others do, use a crystal ball instead of trying to guess
- "maybe" "if" or, talk to your colleague Ralf Ramm of your KS teamabuse about
our message exchange from 14 to 28-08-2015. It's a small example of how the bad
ISPs act. See the proof of the crime and see the falsehood and complicity of
your teamabuse. And stop guessing or someone can call you an accomplice.</DIV>
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<DIV>> If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the
<BR>> appropriate authorities.</DIV>
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did that. I forwarded a dossier to DIG-DEIC - 4th Precinct - Crimes practiced by
Electronic Media - <A
href="mailto:4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br">4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br</A>
reporting misrepresentation, swindle and criminal conspiracy. With evidence.
Read again! WITH EVIDENCE.</DIV></DIV>
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scammer was born and lives in Brazil. But his accomplice, owner of Hetzner.de,
was born and lives in Germany. This one is out of reach. Access the authorities
of other countries and see what is the guidance for non-native <SPAN
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And stop talking nonsense.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>> Criminals will be convicted. If there is no <BR>> conviction, there
probably is no crime but only hyperbole.</DIV>
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mia! You've distorted everything. For there to be conviction there must be a
crime. If there is no crime, probably there is no conviction. Can a native help
us about the word conviction?</DIV></DIV>
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Exaggerated statements? For 18 months, 18 MONTHS, I reported a same criminal
customer to YOUR COLLEAGUE, with evidence. For each complaint the teamabuse of
YOUR COLLEAGUE replied that the IP was suspended. And in the next day the
customer of YOUR COLLEAGUE was sending scam with a new IP. I denounced a client
by name, Marcos Antonio Hora da Silva, and YOUR COLLEAGUE suspended an IP as if
an IP could commit a crime. It is a lot of disrespect, excess of mockery, excess
of arrogance, excess of abuse that need to be punished. And the possible
punishment is to properly qualify them using the adjectives that best explain
their actions. And mass dissemination to the whole world.</DIV></DIV>
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1<BR>Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:50:03 +0200<BR>From: Volker Greimann
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<940b1104-a1cb-4672-bb8b-b96d649357c1@key-systems.net><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<BR><BR>Can we tone down the
rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal <BR>activity (which in itself
may be libel and therefore a criminal act).<BR><BR>If you have evidence of
criminal activities, report them to the <BR>appropriate authorities. Criminals
will be convicted. If there is no <BR>conviction, there probably is no crime but
only hyperbole.<BR><BR>This has gone far
enough.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Volker<BR><BR><BR>Am 31.05.2017 um 03:12 schrieb
Marilson:<BR>> Brian,<BR>> Please read this very carefully. There is no
place on the World for <BR>> people like you and your criminal partners, ISP
owner.<BR>> This is a list to discuss how to protect network abuse.<BR>>
Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are <BR>>
not acting in the spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing <BR>>
useful content for good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the <BR>>
other members of the Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE, <BR>>
with rare exceptions.<BR>> I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh
I want to, and this <BR>> email should be taken as a warning that if you
continue to act as you <BR>> have done until today, that action will be
taken. You will have to <BR>> explain why you are scandalized by words like
bullshit - Nazi - <BR>> criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of
customer. Oh <BR>> yeah, you're not police and customer behavior is not your
<BR>> responsibility, right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility,
<BR>> right? Your arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the
<BR>> acts, your arguments are a joke.<BR>> Surely that will not result in
short term moderation of your behavior, <BR>> but, regrettably, if necessary
I will have to look at further steps <BR>> such as to show that your
anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste.<BR>> Now, prove that you also do not
tolerate the contradictory banning me. <BR>> :)))))<BR>> Marilson<BR>>
*From:* Brian Nisbet <mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><BR>> *Sent:*
Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26 AM<BR>> *To:* Marilson
<mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com><BR>> *Cc:* Tobias Knecht
<mailto:tk@abusix.com><BR>> *Subject:* Recent List Discussion<BR>>
Marilson,<BR>><BR>> As I said on list and I have said before there is no
place on the<BR>> mailing list for ad hominem attacks, personal insults or
accusations<BR>> (really of any sort). This is a list to discuss how to deal
with network<BR>> abuse. It is not here for you to act in the way you have
acted today.<BR>><BR>> Please consider your contributions to the list very
carefully. You are<BR>> not acting in the spirit of the RIPE community nor
are you providing<BR>> useful content for the other members of the Anti-Abuse
Working Group.<BR>><BR>> I do not wish to have to take further action, but
this email should be<BR>> taken as a warning that if your posts continue to
have the content they<BR>> had today, that action will be taken. At the very
least that will result<BR>> in short term moderation of your posts, but,
regrettably, if necessary<BR>> we will have to look at further steps such as
removal from the list.<BR>><BR>> Brian<BR>> Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse
WG<BR>><BR><BR>-- <BR>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur
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